Herschel Walker Paid for Girlfriend’s Abortion, Report Says

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  1. ShadowX

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    Bro… are you just not reading?

    When a slavecatcher went to catch a slave. He doesn’t go find a federal officer. He goes to the state, finds his man and presents him to the LOCAL authorities with his writ. However if the local authority refuses because of personal freedom laws there’s nothing that can be done because the state declares that kidnapping.

    The federal government had an obligation to STOP THAT. What part of that do you not understand?
     
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    And a Southern sympathiser and the guy who got it wrong on Dred

    Taney and his four Southern colleagues decided to write a much broader decision that would bar federal regulation of slavery in the territories. Like the other Southerners on the Court, Taney was outraged over what he saw as "Northern aggression" towards slavery, an institution that he believed was critical to "Southern life and values".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Taney#Supreme_Court_nominations
     
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    Then you need to go get your money back:

    https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/97/1/17/718879?login=false


    [Slavery] is a blot on our national character, and every real lover of freedom, confidently hopes that it will be effectually, though it must be gradually, wiped away; and earnestly looks for the means, by which this necessary object may best be attained.

    —Roger B. Taney, 1819

    Taney ruled the way he did because that’s what the constitution required.
     
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    YOUR LINK, Great article showing he had ZERO ethics or consistency, but what are you attempting to show?



    He was essentially a partisan judge, so as were the judges of King Charles, who decided for the ship-money in accordance with their previously announced opinions. The President wrote him a letter in which he thanked him for abandoning the duties of his profession and promptly aiding him by removing the deposits; and Webster declared he was the pliant tool of the Executive. The Massachusetts, Kentucky, and New York cases in the very first volume of the Reports showed that, if not swift to do the work for which he had been selected, he did not hesitate to embody his political principles in judicial decisions. But we do not intend to examine these, or to review the long series of decisions, extending over more than a quarter of a century, and through more than thirty volumes, on the common or even the grander questions discussed in that tribunal, which will all, or nearly all, be unknown, save to the profession, and will have but little influence on the welfare of the country and the course of history. We would consider only the more important of those decisions touching Slavery, the cause of this Revolution, which have already shaped the course of events, and become the record of his character as a jurist, a patriot, and a man.

    His private opinions about Slavery are not matter of comment or inquiry.
     
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    Yes they most certainly are when we are talking about what HE thought as a person. You claim he was pro slavery and he was not. He ruled the way he did because as a SCOTUS justice he had a responsibility to rule as the constitution dictates. And the constitution was not in Scotts favor. So he ruled against him. As he should have.
     
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    LMAOROG, Sure. Your link says otherwise

    In the 1830s, Taney joined the Democratic Party and was appointed Attorney General under President Andrew Jackson. He became an advocate of states’ rights and reversed his earlier stance on the rights of slaves. Attorney General Taney offered the president an opinion on a case dealing with forcing free blacks into slavery in South Carolina. He defended the right of states to enforce their own laws and asserted in an 1832 opinion that, “The African race in the United States even when free are every where a degraded class, and exercise no political influence.” He went on, “They were not looked upon as citizens by the contracting parties who formed the Constitution,” and were “not supposed to be included by the term citizens.” It was an ominous declaration when Taney replaced the deceased John Marshall as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in March, 1836. Over the next decade, the furor over slavery dominated national politics, though Taney scrupulously avoided public comment as the impartial Chief Justice.

    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/activities/injustice-roger-taney-and-injustice-essay

    Except they were

    ...The Chief Justice stated that colored persons were not, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, citizens under the laws of the several States and the laws of the civilized world. But he knew, for it had been shown to him in the arguments, that such persons, and many who had been slaves, were then citizens in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and North Carolina, as they likewise were in Vermont, Pennsylvania, and in other States. And he knew—for in 1831 he himself said it was “a fixed principle of the law of England, that a slave becomes free as soon as he touches her shores”—that he declared as law what was not the law of civilized nations; that in 1762 Lord Northington declared that “as soon as a man sets foot on English ground he is free”; and that Lord Mansfield had, in 1772, held that “Slavery is so odious that it cannot be established without positive law.” He knew (or he declared what he did not know) that at that day the sentiment in France was so directly to the contrary, that in 1791 the law was “Tout individu est libre aussitôt qu'il est en France.” At the time to which he referred, public opinion in the American States and in foreign countries, and the legislation of the various States, were just the opposite of what he stated them to be. Liberty was just at that moment more truly the sentiment of the country and of states in amity with it than at any other. The assertion, that colored persons could not be and were not citizens of the several States, was simply false.

    your link

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1865/02/roger-b-taney-the-leviathan-of-slavery/387241/
     
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    Get f**king real, he used tortured "logic" to pull off Dredd -Scott, As I show in my last post. Get honest one time
     
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    LMAOROG


    Taney was an anti-abolitionist, and as attorney general, he expressed his views in two opinions that were consistent with subsequent decisions he wrote as chief justice of the Supreme Court, including the Dred Scott decision. In a case involving a South Carolina law that required that free negroes on foreign ships coming into port be seized, Taney asserted slave states had the right to protect themselves against laws that would result in the importation of free negroes, stating in his opinion:

    The African race in the United States even when free, are everywhere a degraded class, and exercise no political influence. The privileges they are allowed to enjoy are accorded to them as a matter of kindness and benevolence rather than of right. . . . They were not looked upon as citizens by the contracting parties who formed the Constitution. They were evidently not supposed to be included by the term citizens. And were not intended to be embraced in any provisions of the Constitution but those which point to them in terms not to be mistaken.
    https://www.judges.org/news-and-inf...r-b-taney-one-decision-makes-a-legacy-part-i/




    ..The Chief Justice stated that colored persons were not, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, citizens under the laws of the several States and the laws of the civilized world. But he knew, for it had been shown to him in the arguments, that such persons, and many who had been slaves, were then citizens in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and North Carolina, as they likewise were in Vermont, Pennsylvania, and in other States. And he knew—for in 1831 he himself said it was “a fixed principle of the law of England, that a slave becomes free as soon as he touches her shores”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1865/02/roger-b-taney-the-leviathan-of-slavery/387241/



    Your tortured "logic" is something else *shaking head*
     
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    Wow, if you are off on Dred Scott, this thread certainly derailed overnight...

    See if this bit of humor brings it back on track

    The Newtster thinks Herschel will change the Senate because of his "deep commitment to Christ"...... and his numerous concussions.

    https://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-mercilessly-mocked-hot-091449736.html

    Some managed to point out the PROFESSION of Herschel's opponent.

    No bottom in sight...
     
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    Weird

    Law enforcement officials everywhere were required to arrest people suspected of escaping enslavement on as little as a claimant's sworn testimony of ownership. Habeas corpus was declared irrelevant, and the Commissioner before whom the fugitive from slavery was brought for a hearing—no jury was permitted, and the alleged refugee from enslavement could not testify—was compensated $10 if he found that the individual was proven a fugitive, and only $5 if he determined the proof to be insufficient. In addition, any person aiding a fugitive by providing food or shelter was subject to six months' imprisonment and a $1,000 fine. Officers who captured a fugitive from slavery were entitled to a bonus or promotion for their work.

    Enslavers needed only to supply an affidavit to a Federal marshal to capture a fugitive from slavery. Since a suspected enslaved person was not eligible for a trial, the law resulted in the kidnapping and conscription of free Blacks into slavery, as purported fugitive slaves had no rights in court and could not defend themselves against accusations.

    The Act adversely affected the prospects of escape from slavery, particularly in states close to the North. One study finds that while prices placed on enslaved people rose across the South in the years after 1850 it appears that "the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act increased prices in border states by 15% to 30% more than in states further south", illustrating how the Act altered the chance of successful escape

    ...Many abolitionists openly defied the law. Reverend Luther Lee, pastor of the Wesleyan Methodist Church of Syracuse, New York, wrote in 1855:

    I never would obey it. I had assisted thirty slaves to escape to Canada during the last month. If the authorities wanted anything of me, my residence was at 39 Onondaga Street. I would admit that and they could take me and lock me up in the Penitentiary on the hill; but if they did such a foolish thing as that I had friends enough in Onondaga County to level it to the ground before the next morning.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850#New_law





    According to abolitionist John Brown, even in the supposedly safe refuge of Springfield, Massachusetts, "some of them are so alarmed that they tell me that they cannot sleep on account of either them or their wives and children. I can only say I think I have been enabled to do something to revive their broken spirits. I want all my family to imagine themselves in the same dreadul condition."
     
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    His son wants to be an influencer, so he could be just looking for fame
     
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    Again. You’re talking about his rulings as he applied them according to law and as a matter of cultural fact. The first bolded quote was not his opinion but it was his opinion of what the opinion of the nation was and the intention behind the original constitution.

    YOU are the one who is dishonestly torturing his claims as if to make them his own as opposed to the justification used to enact the constitution.
     
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    You’re flat out wrong and so is that absurd post you quoted.

    It was a 7-2 decision with several union apologists joining in on the decision. His decision was correct. Taney’s assertion was not that a free man could become a slave and then couldn’t become free. But that a slave once a slave could not become a free man without consent from his owner.
     
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    Perhaps you could ask mr Walker, and wonder why you have this opinion that you have expressed.
     
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    hershal walker is the perfect republican senate candidate, probably hit in the head to many times playing football, republican senators are only required to vote NO on all democrat legislation and YES for tax cuts and follow the party line, no thinking required
     
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    Scratching my head as to why somebody would ask a liar how many lies he's been caught in??

    Seems like a wasted exercise to me...
     
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    Yeah the 900 arrested and the roughly 400 that cried their way to jail was poetic justice. There are a few more in court now that will be sentenced long enough for them to forget their own names.
     
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    Lol nobody cares
     
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    I have little doubt those in prison do.
     
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    It seems inconvenient then to express the opinion that you do then. You assert dude has lied, and yet failed to actually identify what those lies are, and for the one example used in the thread, he has denied the assertion. Seems the assertion then is the lie that you have a real problem with then, no?
     
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    I’m sure they do. But nobody cares because the only people who believe it was an actual attempt to overthrow the government are far left extremists
     
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    Don't worry I'll remind you too when these Oath Keepers go to jail.
     
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    apparently since the right only seem to listen to their own media, the behind the scenes behavior of trump and his proxys is never mentioned, the pressure on Georgia, and proposals for illegally throwing out votes, etc, this was ALL part of jan 6th,,NOT just some riot in the capital...if you are steadily listening to your own news sources, you are not getting the whole picture
     
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