Hey, someone's stirring the pot!

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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He once was and wants to be once again. Should he or shouldn't he? Will it be the right move in any instance? I think he needs to let bygones be bygones and move on into new ventures rather then, you know......stir the pot! Who am I?

    Will he and is he serious? Does he have the support? Will he destroy any credibility he had.

    I think he is an idiot and needs to see a psych to be honest. I think he lives in a world of delusion?

    Why is he doing what he is doing. I don't really understand. History does not give a good reflection of wanting to do what he wants to do, which revolves around ego and delusion on the face of it.
     
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    Okay, I was talking about T. Abbott, you know the Mad Monk!
     
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    Yes I gathered... Abbot had a taste of power and wants it back but he should just give it up... without Credlin he's nothing.
     
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    His criticism of the party is fairly apt though. Turnbull has gone full SJW. I did not see this coming, I advocated for his leadership.
     
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    Who else is there?... please... not Barnaby
     
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    I'm not sure he considered everything she advised him on. Her views are more centre and slightly left from what I've seen from her. Maybe he wanted that to keep him going ultra right???
     
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    The liberals needed a bit of social justice focus otherwise they'd be dead in the water. Abbotts hard line approach was destroying the party, hence his 42 polls all heading south.
     
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    What they need is to actually be a classically liberal party. Low taxes, low regulation, openness to free trade (but not trade controlled by top down internationalist bureaucracies), and social liberalism. True social liberalism, not racism and sexism dressed up as identity politics.

    The plebicite, for all its acknowledged flaws, is a truly astounding admission from the LNP. Don't forget that it was just a few short years ago that Gillard was calling the idea of gay marriage preposterous. Now the LNP is leading the way with a compromise that will almost certainly result in gay marriage. Despite various opinions on either side, nobody in the debate thinks the plebiscite would fail to pass. The polling is unequivocally clear.

    The problem is that it's very easy to go too far, to the point where you are establishing institutionalised sexism against men with gender quotas, segregating the races with safe spaces, indigenous computer labs, etc; and pushing toxic sex fanaticism on pre-pubescent children. This is not egalitarianism, it's sexism, it's racism, it's indoctrination.

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    And they're not any good on economics under Turnbull anyway. The typical centre-right formula:

    • 1 part tax cuts
    • 2 parts spending increases
    • 4 parts printing/borrowing to cover the bill

    This is the typical neoliberal game of smoke and mirrors, claiming to cut taxes while simultaneously raising spending. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

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    On international issues they're even worse. They've constantly backed the wars of the internationalists, and toed a hard line on EU/NATO/UN related issues: pushing NATO to the doors of Russia, placing the world under the unitary rule of an unaccountable set of internationalist technocrats who control international trade, constantly getting behind the US on every issue, opposition to Brexit, etc.

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    So yeah. The LNP needs to re-orientate themselves toward classical liberalism: true egalitarian social policy, truly fiscally conservative economic policy, with a dusting of cautiously defensive foreign policy thrown in for good measure. Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all. Entangling alliances with none.

    Not that it's going to happen. At this point I think the LNP is at a crossroads. I don't trust them at all to take the correct path.
     
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