Hiring discrimination?

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    In the following link you will find a study that claims to show that systemic illegal discrimination in hiring exists.

    LINK: w29053.pdf (nber.org)

    This link is where I found the study: LINK: New research shows racial discrimination in hiring is still happening at the earliest stages - Marketplace

    Here is what I didn't find in the study. Follow ups. Through out the whole study it focuses on call backs. It says nothing about following up to see why a company did not call back on an application that was sent. It just focuses on which group got the most call backs and which groups got the least call backs.

    In addition it sent out 83,000 applications to 103 companies. That's an average of 803 applications per company. Large companies at that. (all of them Fortune 500 companies) Of course those companies have many geographical locations so those 803 applications per company was spread out among those locations. However those types of companies often get thousands of applications (I worked for a Fortune 500 company so I know this to be true). Making a call back less likely. Yet I see no where in the study taking this into account.

    So, my question to those that thinks this study is perfectly fine....How? How does this study prove systemic discrimination?
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So...no one that believes in systemic discrimination existing is able to comment?
     
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    What's the point, you'll just dismiss any evidence presented.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    I've got the full study right there in the first link. Are you telling me that there isn't enough evidence in that study to prove systemic discrimination? I agree. I've pointed out some of the flaws in the study. The biggest being that they are just assuming that because someone didn't get a call back its because of their race.
     
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    Emily and Greg will get more call backs than Ranjit and Ah-lam, also - but Ah-lam and Ranjit will still end up richer than Emily and Greg.

    As usual, the piece is abject BS.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    So...no one wants to tackle this? Not even you @Golem?
     
  7. ToughTalk

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    I read the study.

    It's listed under "working papers"

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    Not peer reviewed. What you have here is a pre print. You have nothing. Like all of those ivermectin studies that look positive but we can't hold them to any value because they haven't been peer reviewed and are pre prints...so is this study.

    Oh and if you were curious.

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w29053
    "the magnitude of this racial gap in contact rates differs substantially across firms, exhibiting a between-company standard deviation of 1.9 percentage points." 1.9 points is not something I would really worry about and would appear to be normal considering most of the top companies in the united states are still white majority and people tend to gravitate towards something familiar when doing their hiring.

    What I mean by that is that if you were in Asia and doing the same study, you would likely see a slight bias to hiring the more Asian sounding applicants over the white ones.

    Anyways. Not thread worthy.

    Thanks for playing.
     

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