Holes shaped like planes?

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  1. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    That's wrong for sure. It doesn't matter which one is moving. Either one could be considered stationary and the other moving. Same for the Twin Towers. If the towers had been moving at 550 mph and the plane had been floating stationary in mid air, the airplane would still release its mass on the towers as if it had been the one moving at 550 mph. Ask any physicist about the relativity of moving objects from one another. There are no objective frames of reference. I think Fangbear here can help further expand on that.

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    But you can see it in slow motion. You can see how it keeps the shape after coming out of the car.
     
  2. Wizard From Oz

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    1 / It is not a pole but a plow.

    2/ You do not see the condition of the plow between the exit from the vehicle and contact with the concrete wall. All you can tell is it still existed in some form. The team took 10 minutes to locate the remains of the plow and it was clearly too badly damaged to decide what condition it could have been before impacting the concrete.

    3/ You can not equate the experiment conducted on Mythbusters to the events of 911 because the kinetic energy flow is reversed between the two events
     
  3. Quantumhead

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    Apologies but I haven't read this thread properly. I have however, done quite a lot of independent research and I am confident that it was flight 77 which hit the Pentagon.
     
  4. LogicallyYours

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    No, I saw from the ground....from 2-3 blocks away. As to your claim of "tv was video composited"...you have no evidence, just another nutter claim. Funny how all the video cameras, cell phones and photos caputured the same exact thing....How was that possible?

    You claims fall apart when you look at them with simple logic.
     
  5. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    The facade is not bent at all. It looks like it has been cropped, just like in Paint.
     
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    thats funny
     
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    then you must have been a good citizen and put it on the record right? otherwise all you have given us is nothing more than forum fantasies. What agency did you register your official testimony with?

    no in fact no 2 are the same, thats what so funny about it.
     
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    Wrong...the overall mass of the car would be greater than the pole,so the pole should NOT hit the car...you want a better demonstration this would be it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVfYwdGSsQ
     
  9. Wizard From Oz

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    Only to a simpleton
     
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    you should pay closer attention to vlad he is being kind by trying to teach physics, something I am not so generous to do.
     
  11. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    So far his performance has been as useless as yours. Only he does not have your talent for idiot gifs to pad his posts
     
  12. LogicallyYours

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    Really?
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    Looks pretty bent in and broken to me? Should I lend you my working eye?
     
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    Do you just make up any 'facts' you want?
     
  14. Kokomojojo

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    I know those gifs are the wooden stake through the heart.

    I keep telling people not to waste their time trying to teach debunkers the physics of science because it has nothing to do with their political agenda and it will go ignored.

    there is always a good samaritan though.
     
  15. LogicallyYours

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    Sure they are. How about you start with the low-quality compressed video image and then make your gifs. I know you won't because it will just prove your attempted deception.
     
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    Sure you keep believing that - 12 years of fail and counting
     
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    Have you ever tried to shoot a steal bullet down a steel barrel? Let me know how you make out. :roflol:
    Most common bullets are a very thin jacket of copper over lead. With enough velocity they'll penetrate steel.
    Even steel core bullets have copper and lead to allow them swage into the bore. A solid copper bullet can be made if you cut enough grooves into the bearing surface to relieve pressure. Never heard of aluminum tho I'm sure someone somewhere made the mistake of trying it. Too light for any useful ballistic coefficients to be attained.
    You seemed to have missed the point. Your making the claim that a soft airplane cannot penetrate a harder structure. I'm being nice and disproving that theory before you believe it to be fact.

    Did you notice the problem with the myth busters tests?
     
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    you got some?

    Sounds like you want me to take some real crap then blame it on to the gif and you dont think that is deception huh

    sure post your compressed crap and I will be make a gif from the crap and see how it turns out.
     
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    Didn't Myth Busters try to prove that thermite can't melt steel? I lost all respect for them after that. Mainly because:-

    A) The military have been using thermite to cut through tank armour for literally decades.

    B) There are about 30 Youtube videos of dudes using thermite to melt steel in their back garden.
     
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    No, they didn't.
     
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    Well, the OP video pretty much shows the power of mass moving at speed. Think of that mass hitting tall thin columns. The outside columns sheared at the attachment points which gives the stair step affect, next think of the continuing mass inside hitting the core columns. The steel plate deformation (which by the way was backed up by a thick concrete wall) shows how the continuing mass can destroy steel. I think the OP video pretty much backs up the damage a plane can do hitting a building at speed.
     
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    Yeh I shot a steel bullet out of a steel barrel it went boom and punched a hole in the target so is there a point buried in there somewhere?

    And thats the problem, under very specific conditions you MAY be capable of getting softer lighter mass to penetrate harder heavier mass and your task is to show how you can get a beer can to cut through steel columns.

    simply sitting back and saying..... well the plane disappeared therefore it proves a beer can is capable penetrating and shearing 3/8's thick steel columns does not "demonstrate" anything.

    that said show us those conditions were met
     
  23. Vlad Ivx

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    So how much copper do you have in an airliner? As much as is needed for the transmission and other electric cables. :lol: You prove it yourself:

     
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    Liquid moving as mass is just as powerful as aluminum, steel, copper, etc. Some of the heavier duty items punched through the other side of the building.
     
  25. Kokomojojo

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    no its not!

    I see statements like this and about fall off my chair!

    so you believe that planes can fly through buildings?

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    really?

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    steel slices through it like hot butter

    aluminum does not burst into a mist at any speed an aircraft is capable of reaching

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    what site did you pull that silly crap off of?


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    why people think that steel wont slice up a plane when all it takes is a little duck is beyond me.
     
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