Holocaust Denial is Hate?

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So... there are plans in the works here in Canada for Canada to join other countries in making holocaust denial a crime. That of course is pushed by concerns over anti-Semitism and many say questioning the Holocaust of the Jews is defacto hateful. Thisconfuses me a bit.

First, wouldn't celebrating it be hateful? Downplaying it seems to be predicate on recognizing it was horrible and wrong.

Second, why does holocaust denial get this special status? Is it illegal to deny black slavery happened? Is it illegal to deny or question the abuse of native children in catholic schools? Doesn't discussion of these matters highlight them and prompt people to learn more about them?

Third, are we not concerned over the slippery slope here of allowing the government to outlaw other particular opinions and thoughts? Reminds me of Jordan Peterson's concerns about compelled speech and gender pronouns.

Finally, what would qualify as denial and be criminal to say? Disputing the numbers? What if somebody over states rather than understates them? Would that also be criminal?

 

Denying Holocaust happened is not "downplaying" it. Just as recognizing Holocaust happened isn't "celebrating" it.
While I think Holocaust deniers are blithering idiots...no one should be arrested simply for being said idiot.

 

If they start making stupid opinions a crime, there is going to be a shortage of people without criminal records.....

 

Busy work.

 

I always feared that the secular state would reimagine themselves as the religion that they seem to have become these days. We've seen how religious governments like to oppress their people.... Canada seems to have fallen prey to it...

 

Talking about slavery is still semi-legal. According to new Florida speech laws you can talk about it, but if it makes someone feel uncomfortable, then it becomes illegal.

If there was similar laws about the holocaust, it would be ok to talk about it unless it made listeners uncomfortable,

 

Trudeau has slipped further and further in that direction. And I say that as somebody who always voted for his party in the past

 

Go on record at any media outlet and state that you think that slavery and the Trail of Tears never happened and see how well that works out for you...

 

You would be ridiculed, and rightly so. But would you be arrested?

 

They are galloping towards Theocracy, these Woke nations.

 

There are people out there that say the Holocaust never happened and it was made up by the allies for some odd reason, including, believe it or not, jealousy over Hitler successes in the economy.

I know in Germany it is a crime to deny the Holocaust and simply denying it is a crime. Denying the Holocaust is Germany's version of "yelling fire in the room" here. Neither is considered free speech by legal standards, just as an analogy. For instance, there are three laws that involve Holocaust denial. First, Volksverhetzung, or incitement of the people, is a legal concept in German law where it is illegal to incite of hatred towards a particular group. Generally, Holocaust Deniers who speak out publicly against the Holocaust will fall into this category, but it can include any minority group, including Latter-Day Saints, Muslims, and others. Second, there is § 130 Incitement to hatred, which basically says that anyone who publicly denies the Holocaust, or denies or downplays the rule of National Socialism will generally be found guilty of this crime. Finally, you have § 6 Genocide, this is more of a direct action in which a person or group intends to kill, serious bodily harm, denial of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, or forcibly transfer a child from one group to another. Germany I found, is the most comprehensive. However, other European countries, generally, have something on the books, especially places like Poland, Hungary, and others. UK and now Spain do not have such laws anymore, but for different reasons. See link below for more details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial#United_States

 

It should be legal, but 99.99% of the time it is hate. The rest of the time it is gullible dupes who are willing to swallow hate and turn off their brains in order to be edgy.

 

It has nothing to do with "woke" anything. The Holocaust, quite literally, happened in Europe from Germany to Poland to France to Hungary, etc when Nazi Germany occupied those territories. This has to do with their version of what freedom of speech is and is not. Even in our own Constitution, certain things are not considered free speech, like yelling fire in a crowded room for instance. Furthermore, even if it falls under the doctrine of free speech, that does not mean you will have consequences when you make said free speech. Since the UK does not have a law, go to Hyde Park on a Sunday Afternoon and "preach" about Holocaust Denial; then see what happens. You might get a rotten tomato thrown at you, but then again, that is too considered "free speech" in the UK, well, at least in Hyde Park on a Sunday Afternoon.

 

And? You hate them, they hate you.

 

Yeah, it's bad policy.

 

They don't have freedom of speech. They pay lip service toward it, and legalize popular and uncontroversial forms of speech.

 

I don't think it should be illegal but any moron that denies that it ever happened needs to be shunned by the decent general public.

Almost as bad as denying it is trying to minimize it by accusing politicians of being Hitler or so on and so forth.

Kind of like the morons that go around calling everything and everyone racist when it really isn't.

 

This is a complex issue that goes far beyond free speech.

Holocaust denial is, in fact, a way to tell the world that Jews lie about their own history. Holocaust deniers accuse Jews, seen as a cohesive collective, of lying in order to obtain certain advantages. What's worse, they accuse not only the generation that lived through WWII, but also their descendants. Every Jew in the world becomes thus complicit, they say, in a huge, worldwide conspiracy, already spanning decades, with no end in sight.

I've yet to meet, or hear about, a Holocaust denier who also denies Polish suffering during WII, or the murder of Soviet POWs, or the persecutions against Jehova's witnesses. Nope. The focal point of Holocaust denial is the collective Jew. The only people whose suffering during WII is being denied is the Jewish people.

This obsession with Jews takes Holocaust denial far beyond mere speech. It's hatefest.

Questioning some of the official narratives, like numbers of victims or methods of killing, is not Holocaust denial. Pretending none of it ever happened is.

That being said, I'm not in favor of laws that restrict speech, even hateful, racist, vile speech.

 

Don't imply that living white people are to blame for events that happened centuries ago, especially when most living white people didn't even have slave owning ancestors (and wouldn't be responsible in any way for those long dead folks actions if they did), and there won't be a problem. Ditto for blaming living blacks because centuries ago some blacks (though far fewer than whites) had slaves, too.

Don't teach or imply that any sort of reparations are appropriate, don't accuse someone of having some magical "privilege" simply because they have lower levels of melanin in their skin, and don't say stupid sh*t like "all whites are racist", or "blacks can't succeed in modern America", or any of that nonsense.

It accomplishes nothing but make race relations worse (they're the worst now than they've ever been in my lifetime), and most of it is idiotic and/or straight up lies.

It's really not that difficult. Teach facts. History. Truth. Leave your racist opinions out of it. It's another one of those things that I'm disappointed (though I won't say surprised) that people in general, and teachers specifically, should know without even being told.

 

Two prominent Nazis were watching the trains unload at Auschwitz "What will happen to us?" said one ," when the world finds out about this? What will become of the German people in the world?"

"Don't worry," said the other "noone will ever believe it"

This is why Holocaust Denial is such a terrible crime. If you deny evil you become accessory to it.

 

That's not at all true, and I'm tired of hearing it. You can yell "fire in a crowded room" all you want without repercussion, unless by doing so it incites a riot or stampede where someone gets hurt, or worse. It's the consequences of the speech, not the speech itself that is unlawful.

And of course there's the question of what if there actually is a fire??

 

Because we the people are owned! lol

Not me! I never deny the holocaust, I ask which one

Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

The Jews took over German politics after world war 2 and the above link predicts your future!





If you want to see where its headed simply look at germanys laws!

In one well known case from 2007, a court in Mannheim, Germany, convicted Ernst Zündel, a Holocaust denier and publisher of neo-Nazi propaganda, of violating the memory of the dead. The charge was part of a broader incitement case, and Zündel was sentenced to five years in prison.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

Coming to a theater near you soon!

Free speech is alive and well!

 

Not me I love it! Why would anyone hate the jews? I dont get it?

Yes doesnt get much more evil than Dresden! They took out over 300,000 in less than 12 hours, definitely a world record!

Yes the victors write the history books and burn everything else.
Believe it, you will never hear about the million germans that dwight eisenhaur holocausted 'after' the war unless you actually research it. Thats the kind of racism you are talking about right?

Then theres japan, nuking civilians! Now thats a holocaust!

Nope everyone simply accepts MSM version of everything, lets look at the covid hoax LOL

Creating legal dictates to prevent you from taking alternative meds, you are so owned!

I was talking to another nurse the other day and she told me everyone in the hospital that she knew had all the jabs and they all got covid! It was peddled that you wont get it then when it did not work they continued to peddle it as you wont get it as bad LMAO suckers!

Do you feel that noose tightening around your neck yet?

 

JFK toured germany as a newspaper reporter immediately at the end of the war, why in the hell would he say this?

Was he a nazi sympathizer that hated Jews?



That sounds like an endorsement doesnt it? Is it possible that maybe he did not know about the holocaust all around him when he was there? Maybe he knew something we dont? Puzzling, I wonder? Hmm...

 

Is your quote from a "prelude" ( you mean preamble. Preludes are in music) meant to be a critique of Kennedy or some proof of his love for Hitler? Was it written in sarcasm, for the purposes of an election?
BTW he was right. He was one of the most significant figures and legends are still being made. Evil has a habit of spitting out Satan's which go down in the annals of history too. Milton knew that. His Satan is seen as one of the greatest most intelligent, admirable evils in history. Webster knew that. S'peare knew that. "The evil that men do lives on. The good is oft interr'd with his bones."
So you have taken some words, thrown them together...we don't know if they were said concurrently. or when this book was written or why. Or if Kennedy meant them literally.
We do know that Kennedy became much respected by the people of Germany and he chose to work closely with Henry Kissinger, a German Jew.

This is a good example of why holocaust denial is unlawful in many places. It invites deceptive propaganda where the real bigots use trickery to give impressions, easily absorbed by those who are not aware of such literary trickery. In fact they probably got taken in by someone else's misleading "information " themselves.
Happily the average and above intelligent person can see through the huge holes in such stuff and justifiably rejects it as the garbage it is.