Holocaust-denying leaflets distributed on campuses in three Australian cities

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  1. Flare

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    See post # 30 to find out that picture was not a picture of the gas chamber, but that of the delousing room.
     
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    Please. Give us a break!
     
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    Gas would not be driffted out, because the gas chambers were sealed in that maner that the gas did not just go outside the chambers.

    Moreover, the Gas that the Nazis used was a heavy gas and therefore once the Nazis started to pump out the gas into the chambers, the gas sank to the floor of the chamber. That's why the Jews in the gas chambers tried to climbed each other to a high stand point, so they could breath a proper air. (In the gas chambers you can see scraches on the walls that the Jews made while trying to reach a higher stand point + they did it because of the suffering they felt because of the gas).

    I've been in Auschwitz-Birkenau and been in the gas chambers. In the chambers you could see stains on the walls, just as there are stains in the picture I posted.

    BTW- Zyklon-B gas was indeed developed and used at the begining of the war against vermits and to stop the sprea of the Typhus, but that was when the Nazis used gas trucks, where they laoded a truck with Jews and took them for a ride that they have never came back from.
    The Nazis later on disscused on a more efficient way to exterminate the Jews, because the gas trucks were not as efficient as they wanted too (like at the time of the gas trucks, the Nazis also used alot of ammunition to kill the Jews, and the Nazis wanted to stop the waste of such high amount of ammunition), thus they developed an idea that the Zyklon-B gas will be used against the Jews in an extermination camps.



    * the picture you posted here was taken after the war (around 1947- after the wooden door that was used for the washrooms was placed in the enterence of the gas chambers, as I already told you in my earlier comment).
     
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    Questioning ANY historical occurrence should be allowed by free-thinking people. Does not matter if it is the life of Jesus, Mohammad, or if it is about the Holodomor or the Holocaust. When laws are enacted to criminalize free speech---then there is usually something fishy going on.

    There isn't a single relevant "Holocaust Denier" that says no Jews died during WW 2 at the hands of the Nazis. They mostly prove that a few hundred thousand died --- not the 6 million + figure that has to be believed.

    So if Hitler & Associates actually did order the "Final Solution" to kill all the Jews, why were they not all killed???

    Certainly we have 2 of the most famous Holocaust Survivors, Anne Frank and Elie Wiesel who were both at a supposed death camp Auschwitz. The SS were supposed to be killing 2,000 a day if they were really following orders from Hitler as they were his most loyal troops.

    So Anne Frank, a Jew, and all her family that were caught cheating the Nazis, were allowed to live in Auschwitz for about 2 months---then allowed to be placed on a train and sent to another camp Bergen-Belson where she lived for another few months until getting sick and dying. Anne Frank's dad was allowed to live until Auschwitz was liberated in 1945.

    http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Fr.../The-fate-of-the-women-from-the-Secret-Annex/

    Elie Wiese was another Jewish person who should have logically been gassed and cremated in short order, yet was likewise saved by the Nazis.

    In March 1944, Germany occupied Hungary which extended the Holocaust into that country.[a] Wiesel was 15, and he with his family, along with the rest of the town's Jewish population, were placed in one of the two confinement ghettos set up in Máramarossziget (Sighet), the town where he had been born and raised. In May 1944, the Hungarian authorities, under German pressure, began to deport the Jewish community to the Auschwitz concentration camp, where up to 90% of the people were exterminated on arrival.[14]

    After they were sent to Auschwitz, his mother and his younger sister were killed.[14] Wiesel and his father were later deported to the concentration camp at Buchenwald. Until that transfer, he admitted to Oprah Winfrey, his primary motivation for trying to survive Auschwitz was knowing that his father was still alive: "I knew that if I died, he would die."[15] After they were taken to Buchenwald, however, his father only survived for eight months, dying just a few weeks before the camp was liberated.[14] In Night, Wiesel recalled the shame he felt when he heard his father being beaten and was unable to help.[14][16]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel

    I have been told time and again the weak, children and old were killed right away, yet they let 2 old Jewish guys who didn't work lived for months on end. It might make sense to you, but not me.
     
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    What?

    It's the truth mate.

    The picture I posted is the actual "alleged" gaschamber of Auschwitz and you don't see blue staining on the walls there.

    Blue staining is only to be found in the delousing rooms, where the Zyklon-B was used as it was an insect propellant.

    Here's another picture of the chamber:

    [​IMG]

    You can even see markings on the floor as there were walls in place, which seem to be have knocked down to make it look more like a gaschamber, while it probably was an airraid shelter in stead.
     
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    I already post a reply to the Zyklon-B as "insect propellant" and about the stains on walls, as I already stated in comment #34:
    I've been in Auschwitz-Birkenau and been in the gas chambers. In the chambers you could see stains on the walls, just as there are stains in the picture I posted.

    BTW- Zyklon-B gas was indeed developed and used at the begining of the war against vermits and to stop the sprea of the Typhus, but that was when the Nazis used gas trucks, where they laoded a truck with Jews and took them for a ride that they have never came back from.
    The Nazis later on disscused on a more efficient way to exterminate the Jews, because the gas trucks were not as efficient as they wanted too (like at the time of the gas trucks, the Nazis also used alot of ammunition to kill the Jews, and the Nazis wanted to stop the waste of such high amount of ammunition), thus they developed an idea that the Zyklon-B gas will be used against the Jews in an extermination camps.
     
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    One of the faults of the Holocaust debates is the lack of definitions.
    No one defines the doctrines of Nazi-ism or compares them with Talmudic doctrines.
    No one defines "Jew" and non-Jew.
    Nor does anyone really go into who actually ordered the Holocaust.
    No one asks why the Nazi system had a special court to declare high ranking self professed Jews to be German.
    Plus, no one is willing to define what a Semite is.
    All this ambiguity allows the tricksters to continue their tricknology games, and keeps most of humanity locked into the very mental box that the tricksters want most folks stuck in.
     
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    the goal of Holocaust denial is to revive the Nazi regime, so that they can once again persecute Jews.
     
  9. Heinrich

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    Do you deny that Nazis gassed Jews?
     
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    There would be little or no prussian blue on the gas chamber walls.

    Pressac rather neatly explains why:

    Keep that denialist pseudoscience comin'.
     
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    Hey look everybody, Flare is reverse enginering a reconstruction as if it were the actual item! :roflol:

    Hey Flare, if you happen to find any fibermesh in the concrete be sure to tell us about the time machine they used to build the reconstruction with!
     
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    Eisenhower to Germans regarding the camps,
    "You make me ashamed my name is Eisenhower".

    Similarly, Eisenhower predicted there would be "deniers" in the future and
    as many troops and civilians who could be required to witness the camps be so . . . .

    What part don't I have correct?
     
  13. Soupnazi

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    Wrong.

    Those were replacement doors for the original which were safer and would not allow a tourist to get trapped in the chambers.

    What other revisionist BS do you have?
     
  14. Grau

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    What a cowardly evasion ploy.

    You can't refute facts laid out by me & others but claim to have some mythical "friend" that does your debating for you.

    1. Show where I claimed that no one died in the German Internment / Work Camps. (or get your fictional "friend" to do it for you)

    2, Try to refute what I DID state:

    _ _ _ _

    "I'll repeat a question I've earlier posed for which no Holocaustian has ever responded:

    How do Adherents to this ghoulish Holocaustian Cult respond to 2 of these non profit, independent & uniquely candid accounts that have been repressed by the for-profit, vindictive multi-billion dollar Holocaust® Industry & its army of gullible, deluded & hate-filled disciples:




    -- “A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross;
    The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide”
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewto...p?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT “This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings....

    "Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies".

    By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable."CONTINUED


    -- "Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust: Myth & Reality" by Nicholas Kellerstrom --

    https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spel...ll+kellerstrom
    EXCERPT / REVIEW OF BOOK “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort – but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system.
    The revealed information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics." CONTINUED

    _ _ _ _ _


    Hopefully, your "friend" is more civil than to make snide remarks about
    to people educated enough to know that only 4% - 12% of the German people were members of the N.S.D.A.P.

    Why are you even participating in this thread if you have to rely on "friends" to do your debating for you?

    I'd be happy to discuss this issue with anyone. Where's your "friend"?
     
  15. Grau

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    “Under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot....”

    Gen. Eisenhower 1945



    In addition to being duped into worshipping among history's most bigoted War Criminals, you've omitted the two factors most responsible for deplorable camp conditions:

    1. Typhus: its symptoms are delusions, hallucinations etc prior to a gruesome death

    I'm sure all the props were all set up with the "Human Skin Lampshades", "Human Fat soap", "Shrunken Heads" etc


    2. Allied bombing of civilian supply lines that provided the camps with life sustaining food & medicine


    “Eisenhower’s Holocaust: His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million(*)Germans!”
    https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...locaust-his-slaughter-of-1-7-million-germans/


    EXCERPT "“…it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater.”


    –
“For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the Russians.

    Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald.”

    (*)It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers.
–

    
This was deliberately and intentionally denied them.

    Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure.

    Local German people who offered these men food, were denied.

    General Patton’s Third Army was the only command in the European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans"CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, among the two most credible reports confirm that there was no Grand Plan to Murder Millions, In reality, the Germans did the best they could under the worst of conditions:



    1. “A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross;
    The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide”
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT “This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings....

    "Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies".

    By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable."CONTINUED


    2. "Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust: Myth & Reality" by Nicholas Kellerstrom --

    https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spel...ll+kellerstrom
    EXCERPT / REVIEW OF BOOK “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort – but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system.

    The revealed information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.CONTINUED
     
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    Them misunderstood Nazis... :wall:
     
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    ""The ICRC in WW II: The Holocaust
    24-01-2014

    27 January is the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz in 1945. For the ICRC, it also marks a failure, the failure to help and protect the millions of people who were exterminated in the death camps. The ICRC has publicly expressed its regret regarding its impotence and the mistakes it made in dealing with Nazi persecution and genocide.





    World War II. In a German concentration camp.
    World War II. In a German concentration camp.
    ©ICRC/hist-1153/27

    -Read also:

    Dialogue with the past: the ICRC and the Nazi death camps - François Bugnion, the ICRC's Director for International Law and Cooperation within the Movement, reflects* on the organization's failure to react vigorously to the persecution of Jews by the Third Reich.
    Commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz - 27 January 2005 - Auschwitz, which represents the greatest failure in the ICRC's history, remains a powerful symbol of the horrors committed by the Hitler regime and serves to remind humanity that it must act in the face of future threats of genocide.
    Bibliography
    Under Hitler's regime, Jews were deprived of all their rights and dispossessed of their property, packed into overcrowded ghettos, forced to wear a yellow star and subjected to countless forms of humiliation and brutality, to deportation and massacres. During the war, the number of roundups increased and Jews were systematically deported to concentration and extermination camps, cut off completely from the outside world.

    In December 1939, the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) approached the German Red Cross to arrange for ICRC delegates to visit the Jews from Vienna who had been deported to Poland. He met with a refusal, as the German authorities did not under any circumstances want to enter into a discussion on the fate of these people.

    From then on, the ICRC opted for a strategy of no longer addressing the question of Jews directly -- it did so only in general approaches concerning the victims of mass arrests or deportation, and then it made no reference to their religious affiliation or racial origins, although it was clear that the people in question were, for the most part, Jews.

    On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would not communicate any information on " non-Aryan " detainees, and asked it to refrain from asking questions about them.

    Information about the persecution inflicted on Jews did, however, filter out of Germany and the German-occupied countries, to reach the Allied governments, and some of this information also became known to the ICRC.

    In the summer of 1942, the International Committee of the Red Cross debated whether to launch a general appeal on violations of international humanitarian law. It prepared a draft, but decided in the end not to issue the appeal, believing that it would not achieve the desired results. The ICRC therefore continued with its bilateral approaches.

    Food parcels

    A year later, the ICRC obtained authorization from the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send food parcels to internees in the concentration camps whose whereabouts it knew of. It had details concerning about 50 deportees, to each of whom it sent a parcel, and during the summer it received acknowledgements of receipt countersigned by the addressees. The ICRC subsequently managed to find out where other deportees were interned and it expanded its parcel-sending operation. By 1 March 1945, the ICRC had details on about 56,000 deportees, and by the end of the hostilities, 105,000. From the summer of 1944 onwards, the organization supplemented its individual parcels with collective shipments. In total, up to May 1945 it sent over 122,000 parcels to the concentration camps. But this operation did not succeed in reaching those deportees who were subjected to the harshest regime, nor did it give captives any protection from torture or massacres. The International Committee of the Red Cross thus continued its approaches to the German authorities, in order to visit the concentration camps. These approaches met with a categorical refusal.

    In October 1943, the International Committee of the Red Cross sent a delegate named Jean de Bavier to Hungary. On 17 May 1944, Friedrich Born arrived to take his place. Powerless to prevent it, they witnessed the wave of deportations to Auschwitz of almost all the Jews living in the provinces, which was organized by the SS between 15 May and 7 July 1944.

    The work of Friedrich Born

    In July 1944, Friedrich Born obtained authorization from the Hungarian government to provide the Jews in Budapest with certificates showing that they were in possession of immigration papers issued by Latin American countries. These certificates did not enable the Budapest Jews to leave Hungary, which was surrounded by territories under the control of the Reich, but they did afford them a certain amount of protection.

    In addition, Born set up around 60 children's homes which took in between 7,000 and 8,000 Jewish children, including many orphans. He placed under his protection all the hospitals, shelters and community kitchens that belonged to the Jewish community in Budapest. To do this, he took on a staff of some 3,000 volunteers, mostly Jews, and gave them documents legitimizing their status.

    These measures were generally respected up until the time the regent, Admiral Miklós Horthy, was overthrown on 15 October 1944 by the Arrow Cross Party, which, in a matter of days, deported over 50,000 Jews from the capital, sending them in the direction of the German border.

    Friedrich Born, unable to prevent this deportation, distributed some relief supplies to the deportees, who had been deprived of everything. He did, however, prevent the departure of the last convoys, which consisted of about 7,500 people (read more on Friedrich Born ).

    Other activities in Europe

    In Bucharest, two ICRC delegates, Charles Kolb and Vladimir de Steiger, tried, among other things, to make various proposals that would have enabled Jews to emigrate to Turkey and, from there, to Palestine or Latin American countries. With the support of Jewish organizations, the delegates submitted these propo sals and made different types of representations to the authorities, all of which came to nothing, as it was impossible to obtain the necessary permission. Nevertheless, the ICRC delegates did manage to save some Jews from being deported.

    On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through the ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the opportunity to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the fortress. Two representatives of the Danish government also took part in the visit.

    On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to the commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it.

    Inside Dachau

    In the last days of the war, ICRC delegates were able for the first time to go inside the camps at Turckheim, Dachau and Mauthausen. They succeeded in preventing last-minute executions, and negotiated the surrender of the camps on the arrival of the Allied forces. The ICRC delegate at Mauthausen, Louis Haefliger, managed to get an order revoked, thereby preventing the underground aviation factory at Gusen (which was part of the camp) from being blown up, together with the 40,000 or so detainees who were in it.

    ICRC delegates were not able to prevent the evacuation of the camps at Oranienburg or Ravensbruck, which took place under appalling conditions. The delegates could only try to give out food supplies to the deportees on the roadside.

    Apart from the work of Friedrich Born in Hungary and a few sporadic instances elsewhere, the ICRC's efforts to assist Jews and other groups of civilians persecuted during the Second World War were a failure.

    By taking part in the 1995 ceremony to commemorate the liber ation of the Auschwitz camp, the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Cornelio Sommaruga, sought to show that the organization was fully aware of the gravity of the Holocaust and the need to keep the memory of it alive, so as to prevent any repetition of it. He paid tribute to all those who had suffered or lost their lives during the war and publicly regretted the past mistakes and shortcomings of the Red Cross with regard to the victims of the concentration camps.""

    https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-holocauste-020205.htm
     
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    You seem to have an incredibly short memory since you keep posting the same crap over and over again. (okay we both know that is SOP for deniers, but it still makes you look foolish).

    Seems You haven't even read the ICRC full report. Just the headlines and selected excerts from from denialist sites.

    But never let facts get in the way. I know that I have personnally posted the ICRC statements that Drew posted above, at least three times in response to your nonsense.

    next you;ll be posting pictures of the lovely conditions the jews enjoyed in Theresienstadt.

    Not surprisingly, denialists have no concept of what a "photo op for propaganda purposes" actually is, nor that many criminals attempt to cover up their crimes with a "nothing to see here" facade. which I find to be ironic in the extreme.
     
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    I lost family members in the camps. I also lost family members fighting in the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. I lost family members fighting in Burma (RAF). What happens when jews and christians intermarry I suppose.

    I also know a number of survivors of Auschwitz and Mauthausen-Gusen.

    Since when does the % of germans being nazi's have anything to do with your hero worship and desire to rehabilitate their sick ideology? right nothing at all.
     
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    Why would you hate people for something that there is no supporting evidence? Is it like you want it to be true so intensly that you cant handle it when someone asks for proof?

    Remember only a few short days ago I proved to you that there were no gassings: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=472870&page=17&p=1066592100#post1066592100 and this is confirm by several forensic crimnal pathologists I cant imagine what your problem could still be? Now if you want to provide me with conclusive forensic evidence that people were gassed I cant wait to see it because I have been waiting for the last 40 years to see it and no one can provide it.

    Besides you have nothing to worry about everyone hates the muslims today, its obviously been decided that its their turn to be persecuted.

    That said the holocaust is a jewish ritual, a sacrificial offering, so my question is which jew made that offering?
     
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    but how do you explain the jews who testified they were drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, watched movies and plays?

    Are these like self hating jews who hate themselves for drinking beer or how does that work?

    [video=youtube;2kK2RyEQ0DU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kK2RyEQ0DU[/video]

    Maybe they are just big liars and the pictures of all that entertainment is all big conspiracy by jew haters is that the way it works?
     
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    Off topic old boy.

    Yes, that's what happens when you force hundreds of thousands of people to live in horrible conditions in death and work camps.

    I've heard of this but not recently. Why do you bring it up if it is not true?

    You do know that people from the Pope on down are wondering why the Alllies did not bomb the railways that supplied the concentration camps right?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-taking-prisoners-to-auschwitz-10336001.html

    And this has what to do with the topic?

    You are aware that the Red Cross has stated they did know but were not permitted to go into those camps right?

    Ah yes, the regurgitation of every argument that you've placed here and has been refuted many times over. Welcome, please post his arguments once more.
     
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    Why are you blaming the nazis for churchills and eisenhowers terror bombing where they wiped out all the food supplies and medical shipments to the camps subjecting them to disease and starvation? How do you account for that? The whole population was starving and in horrible conditions so whats your point? None of my points have ever been refuted, except by a wasteland of meaningless rhetoric and drama.
     
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    not one single Jew should have been in those camps in the first place.
     
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    Oh so jews are 'special' and they can declare war on a country and the government is supposed to kiss there asses and give them the red carpet treatment, meanwhile we in america locked up every jap we could find.

    So ron, why dont you unravel that gross hypocritical contradiction for us.
     
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