Homeland Security chief says back-channel talks with Russia would be 'normal...and acceptable'

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  1. hawgsalot

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    Consultant vs prosecutor is a big difference but way to keep on diverting the truth Mello.
     
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    The Homeland Security chief is a puppet for Trump, and he lied.
     
  3. superbadbrutha

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    According to who, you. I am pretty sure he is not worried about the bullshit you are peddling.

    Again that fake news crap is just that, crap. I will give Pres. Trump credit though, he set you suckers up hook, line and sinker with the fake news bullshit.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I don't worship anything, certainly not hate. Conservatives think hate is and should be the central human motivator, as Trump's policies amply demonstrate
     
  5. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone worships something. You worship, or certainly place a high value on hateful opposition.
     
  6. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you are missing the point. If it is a crime, cite it. If it isn't a crime, shuttup.
    The more noise you make, the more you attract a glaring spotlight onto the same behaviors in the Democrats. Everybody is looking at the Obama administration and hearing you scream that it is a crime.
    Not smart...
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What dirty laundry?
    He's only been in public office 5 months.
     
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    So if this was the first alleged back channel attempt with the Russians, how exactly was the Trump campaign colluding with the Russian before, if they never had a back channel already set up during their campaign? Its claimed the meeting took place a month after the election so either the media is lying here or just plain too stupid with the colluding narrative that seems to be falling part.
     
  9. truth and justice

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    What, you mean how Comey did not tell anyone outside of his department about Trump's attempt at obstructing the investigation regarding Flynn? Funny, I'm sure that many were saying that by only answering the question asked and not telling the committee about Trump's attempt was in all sense and purposes lying. BTW Kushner was purposely hiding it from US intelligence
     
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    Comey also reports to the congressional intelligence committee and did not.
     
  11. Sharpie

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    The media manages to do it simultaneously: Lie and be stupid.
     
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    I'm asking you I don't have a party try again.
    So why all the hyperbole over it this this time, they've done it for years, we've done it for years it will go on as long as we have governments so why all the faux outrage about it this time.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    So is this your new hide behind response, blame it on the Republicans?
     
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    When has the United States had connections with a foreign country, where our intelligence services were locked out of the connection, but the other country was free to record it?

    The problem with Kushner's proposed connections is that they would have used a Russian SCIF for him to talk to Russia and not an American SCIF, so American intelligence wouldn't know what was said. Supposedly, Kushner was setting up this new backchannel so Flynn could talk to Russia about Syria, but one already existed. That is the one they used in Syria to tell the Russians to move their planes before we fired Tomahawk missiles at the airport.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-shut-down-communication-channel-with-us.html

    Kushner's is not a back channel for government use because that already exists. So the Flynn/ Syria excuse is a lie.

    Why would an unelected, unvetted, political appointee need a secure way to talk to Russia without American intelligence being able to intercept it? If there is an acceptable answer to that question, I'd like to hear it.
     
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    Maybe because this time it was to help a specific candidate who's entire campaign seemed to have Moscow on speed dial?
     
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    The fact that they are on board suggests to me that there is something there.
     
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    Bay of Pigs but of course they are brought in as necessary and you have no idea what the arraignment would have been on our end.


    That was between the military liasons in the field not the diplomatic core.

    He needed a communications channel just as all previous administrations did. And he had been vetted, he just happened to lie about some personal income, and he was the incoming President's NSA who is expected to talk with foreign dignitaries including their security people.
     
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    You have presented no reason to believe it was more speedier than other incoming administrations communications with foreign countries like Obama's backchannel with Iran during his transition.
     
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    No it doesn't. It suggests this has gone completely political.
     
  20. The Mello Guy

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    How many on Obamas staff had contact with Iran before the election? How many lied about being on their payroll? Did Iran try to meddle in the 08 election?
     
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    A bipartisan investigation proves it's gone political?
     
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    So if that's the case then why did he need to set up a back channel. The ignorance is pretty overwhelming. If there was collusion there was already a back channel, common sense tells everyone you just killed your collusion argument.
     
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    Common sense has no place in the asinine, increasingly ridiculous, "collusion argument".
     
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    No idea, maybe their contact got sent back to Russia in august 2016, maybe they figured they were being intercepted or maybe whatever method they used wasn't as efficient.
     
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    Comey did not tell anyone, because there was no obstruction. Kuschner was not required to tell anyone anything about it.

    Comey is suddenly INVISIBLE because the FBI has already admitted illegal spying and unmasking of American citizens to a FISA court. He is freaking out, would be my guess.
     

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