Homelessness in Hawaii

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, homelessness in paradise...

    A documentary about homelessness in America's Aloha State:



    This is what happens when you have too many people going to a desirable destination and driving up the cost of living. The marginalized and vulnerable get pushed to the side of the curb if they can't earn enough money to compete.

    On the one hand, I feel bad about this. People who have lived their entire lives in Hawaii will now be forced to move 2000 miles to the mainland because they can't afford to live there. On the other hand, Hawaii is a desirable destination for everyone else in the United States and doesn't have that much room (or area zoned for development, without ruining that unspoiled natural area everyone comes to see).
     
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    They don't get 'pushed' to the kerb, they allow themselves to fall to the kerb. Just as others decided to work harder/earn more, they decided not to.
     
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    A move to somewhere like the Amazon forest would be much less expensive in the long run than a move to the mainland, and provides access to abundant resources free for the taking.
     
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    lol, yea. They decided to let rich tourists come to their state, and to allow giant corporations to build mega resorts, driving the cost of living WAY up for everyone on the island. What exactly do you think those people can do, to combat this?
     
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    You cant possibly think all homelessness is due to not trying hard enough...can you?
    Granted some much is due to addictions and /or mental illness.
    Unbelievably high cost of living is a major factor.
     
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    join them? move somewhere cheaper?

    these people are insisting on living in a place they can't afford, but feel they shouldn't have to work for that privilege. like spoiled children.
     
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    Homelessness is a choice in our rich nations. The exceptions being intractable mental illness, and juveniles without family (usually kicked out of foster system). Most homeless people are drug/alcohol addicted a.holz, and have alienated friends and family. CHOICES.
     
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    how?

    The cost of living was artificially increased, and they had nothing to do it. They are not spoiled children, lol.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hawaii is my favorite vacation spot in the States, and I have spent many weeks there. In my experience, I do not notice more homeless there than I do in any other metropolitan area. I will say this: There are few better places in the world to be homeless. No one has ever frozen to death in Hawaii, and state entitlements available to them are the highest in the USA.

    They make minimum wage. No... not THAT minimum wage, the REAL minimum wage: $0/hr. At that wage, everywhere is too expensive. I would imagine the panhandling action in Hawaii is primo, though.
     
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    Yeah, if I was homeless, I would definitely try to get to a warmer climate. I always wonder that about homeless people. Why not hitchhike to the south? Why stay here all winter where the temperature is below freezing and where you can freeze to death and die from exposure?
     
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    Were they born homeless? How did they become homeless? How do they spend their time being homeless?
     
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    The cost of living is what is making many move to the 'mainland'? After an entire life, how have they NOT acquired their own home yet? Are you talking about those 'Hawaiians' whose lineage goes to the indigenous Pacific Islanders or are you referring to those who are first generation Island citizens? How could persons who come down from a lineage that can be traced back to the indigenous Islanders not have permanent 'homes' as of yet?? Once a home is purchased, that home is yours.. Regardless if it was purchased in the 50's or 40's or even 1900's...
     
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    If such residents get pushed to the curb after maintaining a good rental history, why are they unable to get back on their feet quickly rather than ending up on the curb?

    Is there some kind of 'mental' block that prevents them from relocating apartments or search for another unit? If the cost of living exceeded their monthly pay earnings, is there a mental block which prevents them from trying to supplement or increase the monthly earnings?

    Are these persons saying 'I don't want to' or are they saying, 'I can't' or are they saying, 'it is too difficult'?

    Or are they saying, 'it really doesn't matter either way'?

    Some States offer 'areas of land' in which the homeless can make their encampments. If they desire to live out in public, some States have arranged for certain land properties to be used for them.. Some are more in the wooded areas but some States do offer such land areas.

    Well, if they haven't, maybe they should. Who uses wooded areas anyways?

    Being a beneficial guide does not mean that all those that you lead should live and be as comfortable as yourself. But it could mean to provide those good things which can help them as well as helping the non homeless population simultaneously. Arranging for street homeless to get into more wooded homeless can give them the same 'time' they desire to live under the starry nights rather than under a roofed apartment. And even within these wooded areas, they can receive assistance as far as employment, or job training or assistance in job possession is concerned.

    And on the other side, the renters, the non homeless, can be less worried of seeing many street homeless in their neighborhood(s).

    From this perspective, I see it as a win-win situation.
     
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    ARTICLE II - POWERS AND PURPOSES OF THE CITY Section 2-101. Powers -- The city shall have and may exercise all powers necessary for local selfgovernment and any additional powers and authority which have been or may be hereafter granted to it, subject only to the general laws of this state allocating and reallocating powers and functions pursuant to Article 8, Section 2 of the Constitution of the State of Hawaii. The enumeration of express powers in this charter shall not be exclusive. In addition to these enumerated express powers and those implied thereby, the city shall have and may exercise all powers it would be competent for this charter to enumerate expressly.


    REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU 1973 (2017 EDITION)

    http://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/cor/Online_Charter_-_06.30.17.pdf
     
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    It doesn’t take much effort to survive and pay bills here in HI.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Suppose we took away your house, your current job, your job history, rental history, and your college degree. Empty out your bank account too, with only $1,000 left. Then leave you to look for a job and housing.
    I'd imagine it would be quite a bit harder for you.

    (You'd have to get a job in a completely different field from what you've been working in, one that's unfamiliar to you)
     
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    This is just so wrong.
    But there for the grace of God goes you.
     
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    Hope like hell you never get to answer your own questions.
     
  19. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Hawaii is $1,903, and for two-bedroom it's $2,453.
    The median rent for an apartment in Hawaii (as of 2015) was $1,500, compared to $959 for the U.S. as a whole, so that's about 59% more expensive.
    In Hawaii, anything less than $1,000 a month is considered to be on the "affordable" end.
     
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    No. Like I said it’s not hard to find work here, at least enough to survive and pay bills. There are some circumstances that may not allow people to work, and some other extenuating things, but on average it’s not hard to find work here. You ever lived in HI?
     
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    Uhm yeah, it’s Hawaii. Every countries vacation and tourist spots have higher cost of living.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you claiming that it would be easy for a homeless person to find housing if they managed to earn $1,500 a month? (That's if they found a full-time job and were able to maintain it without the risk of getting fired. A lot of apartment dwellers are trapped in 6-month or 12-month leases, so it's not like they could just temporarily go back homeless to save money if they lost their job for 3 months)
     
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    I mean exactly what I said. It is not hard to find word here, and not hard to make enough to survive with a place to live and pay your bills. You didnt answer, Have you ever lived here?
     
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    You appear to have taken my questions, although valid, as a personal affront.
    1. Were they born homeless?
    2. How did they become homeless?
    3 How do they spend their time being homeless?

    I was not born homeless.
    There's no chance of my becoming homeless.
    If my home was to be destroyed I would find a temporary home to reside while finding a permanent one.
     
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    Work is not the issue. The issue is having a place to have proper hygiene, rest, food that can be cooked. And like everywhere else, the prices of rentals are ludicrous. When you get too old to work, or wind up with a disease that makes work impossible, or you are given notice your rent is being increased, among a plethora of different "what if's", then you will see that not all homeless are lazy, drug addicted, mentally ill. Many times, it is just GREED by home owners and no way to pay them for the roof you had.
     

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