Homelessness in Hawaii

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    How can any form of commerce 'artificially' raise the cost of living? The commercial growth of a given location is the most organic kind of growth there is! The only artificial control of such things comes from govts. Are you suggesting that govt ought to end tourism and limit real estate pricing in Hawaii?
     
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    Some people think that because their parents could afford a house at the beach, they ought to have one also. Just because. Without working for it. Magic, like.
     
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    My kids won't leave home until they've actually bought their first property! None of them want to rent ... ever. They totally get that renting is paying off someone else's mortgage, with zip to show for it at the end - plus a lifetime of uncertainty, zero ability to alter or improve your surroundings, no pets, and constant moving.
     
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    A temporary glitch. Some people are a little slow to respond to change, and they pay the price for their inertia. Either way, it doesn't require empathy or action.
     
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    Wouldn't be at all surprised if it were the latter.
     
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    I'm sure this 'millionaires can become homeless too' is some form of comfort to the impecunious. It's patently absurd - even in my expensive nation, $1m is enough to protect one from just about every insult, for life ... assuming it's managed cautiously.
     
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    What do you even mean by 'artificial'? I don't think you know.

    If it's via the growth in commerce associated with tourism, it's entirely organic!
     
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    It's NEVER OUR FAULT, no matter who we are! What on earth are you talking about?
     
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    AGAIN .. you have no idea what you mean when you say 'artificial'. The only artificial 'growth' is that compelled by govt, independent of the organic growth of commerce.
     
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    Repeat offenders will never get the help they think they deserve. Honourable and hard working people do not need to be shafted by shiftless losers.
     
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    The reality is that you're a fantasist. One who expects World Wide Commerce to magically pause for a select group of loafers. Loafers who are free to leave their overpriced location at any time.
     
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    Here's some advice for "Ching" for her next life. Don't have 3 x children with someone who isn't able to feed, house, and educate them til age 21, and provide for you and all your needs while you're at home raising the kids. Married or divorced.
     
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    Nice, and you call me heartless.

    Meantime, if you think avoiding homelessness is a matter of 'luck', and not a lifetime of hard work, clean living, careful money management, and respectful preservation of relationships, there's not much point talking to you about this. All heartlessness is on the part of those who enable the idea that it's just dumb luck.
     
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    Circumstances can be changed as a result of the choices we make, recognizing that good choices more often result in improved circumstances while bad choices tend to result in worsened circumstances.


    Only for those who refuse to react to changing conditions until which time they become forced to do so.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It can be pretty difficult for homeless people to lift themselves out of those circumstances.
    I think it would be difficult for anyone, but a lot of homeless people have something wrong with them. And it doesn't take something very serious to make it extremely difficult for them to "improve their circumstances", as you described, and attain a better life. Even something as simple as a mouth missing teeth, or having slightly slurred speech, can make them a whole lot less attractive to an employer. Inability to remain standing for long periods of time, which isn't that uncommon, could also disqualify them from most low level jobs. The school route may not be a realistically viable route for many, with many individuals having learning impairments, difficulty concentrating, sometimes combined with low IQ. These type of things are especially prevalent in the homeless population, not surprisingly.

    If the homeless don't have a phone or a mailing address, that's another barrier.
    Something else many people don't realize, a job search and getting to interviews is going to be a whole lot more difficult without a car. And in the current job climate, many employers won't even consider an applicant without recent employment history. That oftentimes includes the homeless.

    I don't think this is that common but I can tell you that I personally have some difficulty moving, having to do with fine hand-eye coordination. I tried working in a job washing dishes and I just couldn't perform the job, started getting shakiness in my movements after a while. I'm sure homeless people have many other things that are wrong with them that can make it difficult to perform routine tasks as a part of job.
     
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    The most obvious first step to attaining a better life is to relocate to where more opportunities and lower costs exist.
    A first step for government in the right direction would, in my opinion, be to reduce welfare aid to the States based upon the costs of provision in the lowest cost State, requiring taxpaying inhabitants of States with higher costs of living to make up the difference by higher State taxes or State/local governments taking whatever actions needed to reduce the problems at the source.
     
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    Hawaii is being faced with another problem now, this time on an international level..

    www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/01/paradise-lost-sex-trafficking-hawaii-160120111423579.html


    Al Jazeera is not Hawaii News.

    You have sorrow for the homeless? What about for these youths?

    100 dollars for 15 minutes with a minor???

    These youths are being stashed away until someone is willing to pay to have their way with them... not all paying customers are courteous, polite and gentle, you know.

    Are you proud to be a part of this? Would any Hawaii resident be?

    Seems like Hawaii is so caught up in internal powers and wars that they are forgetting what type of name they are making for themselves to any outsider looking in.

    Al Jazeera (Arabic: الجزيرة‎, translit. al-zhazīrah, IPA: [æl ʒæˈziːrɐ], literally "The Island", though referring to the Arabian Peninsula in context[1]), also known as JSC (Jazeera Satellite Channel), is a state-funded broadcaster in Doha, Qatar, owned by the Al Jazeera Media Network.

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

    Qatar is classified by the UN as a country of very high human development and is widely regarded as the most advanced Arab state for human development.

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    High human development equates to low crime rates.

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    You know... i could be wrong.


    Crime in Qatar is relatively low[1][2][3]compared to industrialized nations.[3] Petty crime such as pickpocketing and bag snatching does occur, but is extremely uncommon.[2] Although incidents of violence are generally considered to be rare, violence has occurred more frequently due to increase in the population of Doha, the capital and largest city of Qatar, and economic pressures on expatriate workers during the last few years.[1]

    Qatar is a destination country for men and women from South and Southeast Asia who migrate willingly, but are subsequently forced into involuntary servitude as domestic workers and laborers, and, to a lesser extent, commercial sexual exploitation. The most common offense was forcing workers to accept worse contract terms than those under which they were recruited. Other conditions include bonded labor, withholding of pay, restrictions on movement, arbitrary detention, and physical, mental, and sexual abuse. Qatar is in Tier 3 rank; it failed to enforce criminal laws against traffickers, or to provide an effective mechanism to identify and protect victims. The nation detain and deport victims rather than providing them protection. The Government of Qatar made little progress to increase prosecutions for trafficking effectively in 2007.

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Qatar

    www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=19398 ..... << 2016 report for Qatar.


    Driving can be dangerous. Drivers displaying varying degrees of skill, aggressiveness, and attentiveness often maneuver erratically and at high speed, demonstrating little road discipline or courtesy. Drivers often fail to use turn signals and may neglect to turn on their headlights during hours of darkness or inclement weather. Many drivers do not use seat belts and tend to disregard traffic signals at intersections and roundabouts that are not monitored by the comprehensive traffic enforcement system of radars, sensors, and photo/video monitoring systems to enforce speed limits and red light controls. Even with these increased controls, however, compliance at non-controlled intersections and along unmonitored roads is poor, resulting in a vehicular accident rate in excess of 70,000 per annum. Traffic fatalities are one of Qatar's leading causes of death and are the number one cause of accidental deaths. According to the Annual Bulletin of Vital Statistics, a majority of the victims of vehicle accidents are under 30-years old. Foreigners or others who are unaccustomed to Qatar’s liberal rules of the road and who lose their temper and engage in road rage could face severe civil and/or criminal penalties, or (in rare cases) be subject to a travel ban, preventing them from departing Qatar until the matter is resolved to the offended party's satisfaction. Many U.S. companies provide employees with defensive driving training to prepare them for driving in Qatar.


    Drug-related Crimes

    Local authorities have seized drugs through improved enforcement, greater emphasis on interdiction, and increased law enforcement capabilities to identify, monitor, track, and apprehend offenders. Seizures occurred primarily at ports of entry and in coastal waters during interdiction operations. Media reports have pointed to an apparent increase in the past couple of years of drug seizures at the airport in Doha; cases have involved international drug smugglers using couriers to transport quantities of narcotics (hashish, cocaine, methamphetamine). In October 2015, Lebanese customs inspectors at Beirut International Airport also seized 1.5 million Captagon amphetamine pills, weighting a total of 230 kilograms, hidden inside table beams being shipped to Qatar.



    Always seems to be methamphetamines always involved in high speed, no care crimes.


    That drug absolutely ruins lives, cities and even entire countries.



    Such striking similarities between Hawaii and Qatar.




    Saudi Arabia

    Reporting
    According to the US State DepartmentOverseas Security Advisory Council (OSAC) as of 2014, "U.S. citizens and Westerners continue to report incidents of crime, including robberies and attempted robberies." Cases of sexual assault are believed to be underreported "because victims are customarily blamed".[6] (For example, in 2009, a 23-year-old woman was sentenced to a year in prison and 100 lashes for adultery after being raped by five men. In 2007, a 19-year-old victim of rape by seven men receiving a sentence of six-months in jail and 200 lashes.[6])

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Saudi_Arabia


    Traffic accidents are common and often result in serious injuries and/or fatalities. In 2011, the Traffic Department reported that there were 544,000 vehicular accidents in Saudi Arabia, culminating in 7,153 fatalities and more than 40,000 injuries (statistics for 2012 will be finalized and released later in 2013)


    www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=13573

    I guess sex and drugs are more common in The Middle East than known.


    New preliminary 2016 data shared Wednesday from the National Safety Council estimates that as many as 40,000 people died in motor vehicles crashes last year,

    2016 Was the Deadliest Year on American Roads in Nearly a Decade

    http://fortune.com/2017/02/15/traffic-deadliest-year/
     
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    Hello? Can the residents get some safety, please?

    Dang meth and the end of the world rumors and allegiances. What a waste of the human mind.
     
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    Homelessness and life as a homeless is dependant upon several things but not limited to these things.

    #1. Age
    #2. Length
    #3. Motivation.


    I cannot be certain but if the majority of the homeless in any State is below a certain age, which is still able bodied, then homelessness is not that bad for them. If after a certain age, finding gainful employment can be more difficult but there are social agencies that can start the benefits process. If there are children involved, then homelessness just doesn't make too much sense.

    Motivation and length, or chronicness, goes hand in hand. The longer a person is homeless the less motivated the person becomes in desiring to reenter the non homeless living situation. Sometimes it can take a very long time, sometime years, to persuade a person who has been homeless for a long time, to enter into a roofed dwelling environment, other than shelters. It's like a complete life change just like trying to persuade a person who has never been homeless to become homeless.

    In past decades, homelessness was the very last resort and only a temporary thing. Now days more and more are not minding being homeless. It has even got to the point that some social service workers even defend a person's choice and right of being homeless, on the individual level but not on the social level, depending on the location and local Government's stance on the issue.


    How about this?

    m.youtube.com/results?q=homeless%20in%20sf&sm=3
     
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    Right, and such people should remain with families (whether their birth family, or an acquired family), for life. That way they will remain in receipt of shared resources and assistance. CLEARLY, if you are unable to function independently, you should not be leaving home and/or failing your friends.
     
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    Some people don't have any surviving family members. Some people have become estranged from their family members (whether their fault or not). Some people don't have family who are in a position to be able to help them. Some were raised in the foster care system and don't have family. Sometimes that person's family member may simply be tired of helping them. It's a lot more common for homeless persons to have been raised in single-parent households.
     
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    a) if you have no living relatives, make damned sure you secure a stable group of loyal friends, and look after those relationships as though they were precious as diamonds.

    b) you don't 'become estranged' by an act of god. you have to choose to abandon relationships. if not your fault, see a), above.

    c) why would a group of people not be able to pool together to support one individual? even welfare recipients can manage it.

    d) grant you the foster kids. that's a genuine problem .. at least initially. but again, at some point these kids need to think about a), above.

    e) family will only grow tired of helping, if you fail to use their help to help yourself, and/or you behave like an a/hole.

    f) if you have one parent, who is an a/hole themselves, see a), above.
     

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