Homemade firearms

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  1. FivepointFive

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    3D printed guns are back in the news I don't know how you can control them

    The design for a thermonuclear bomb was leaked at one point
     
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    You can't.
     
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    We are at a very interesting period in history. While 3D printing technology still has a long way to go before a 100% viable firearm can simply be printed, that day is coming.

    At that point, conventional gun control will cease to be relevant in any way, shape, or form. Government will have to find different ways to fool people into believing they're "doing something."
     
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    California will ban the knowledge necessary to make a gun, 3D printing or otherwise.
     
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    They'll sure try!! They haven't had any luck on that front yet, however.
     
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    Meh. 3D guns.... For a century, you can buy the stuff at the hardware store to make a perfectly functional shotgun.
     
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    Wait until you see how they try to enforce it.
     
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    Per federal law, it is legal to make guns for your own personal use.
     
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    Yeah but you have to register it. I'm not sure of the wording of the law but it's illegal to own a gun that the government doesn't know about?


    Again one of the 99% of unenforceable laws that Americans make
     
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    Only if the intent is to sell the firearm to another individual.
     
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    40+ states do not have a legal requirement to register privately held firearms.
    This includes firearms produced by private citizens w/ no intent to sell.
     
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    You can make a zip gun with a piece of pipe.
     
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    Please show me the law that says you have to register it. Federal law does not. State laws might.

    Here is what the ATF says about the issue (ATF being the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, FYI):
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-individual-need-license-make-firearm-personal-use
     
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    I'm not sure you can ever print springs effectively, so I'm guessing we'll never get to the 100% on that front, but everything else should be possible in a few years or so...
     
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    Not that you have to - springs are cheap and easy to get.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, but if the grabbers can't stop the printers they'll go after anything they can.
     
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    But those recoquista socialist in Sacramento will just ban all printers and think they solved the problem.

    When you can make a gun from carbon paper, they'll ban carbon paper.

    Screwdrivers, wrenches, hammers and screws are on the future California ban list.
     
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    All springs must have a serial number, and you need a background check to buy one.
     
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    You do not have to register a gun you make for yourself. I'm a 01 FFL holder and have been in law enforcement for 26 years. The only restriction on individuals making guns for themselves is that they can't be made with the intent to sell. If you do you will need a manufacturers license. Heck.....you don't even have to put any markings or a serial number on it. Lets say 5 years from now I run into financial hardship and sell the cool homebuilt gun I purchased. Guess what.........totally legal.
     
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    I respect that you are an FFL, but I think you are misinterpreting the law regarding home built firearms. Before building my own AR, I consulted a number of federal and state agencies, and a few attorneys who specialize in firearms law. Everyone I consulted informed me that I could, indeed, build my own firearm. However, under no circumstances could I ever sell it, trade, or even give it away.

    If, at some point in the future, I wanted to get rid of it, my only options would be to destroy it or turn it over to a law enforcement agency.
     
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    Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?
    No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.
    [18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-individual-need-license-make-firearm-personal-use

    When you manufactured your AR lower, did you manufacture it for sale or distribution?
     
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    No, I did not. I built it for my own personal use. I was responding to tazaroo's post where he stated this "Lets say 5 years from now I run into financial hardship and sell the cool homebuilt gun I purchased. Guess what.........totally legal."

    I contend that it is, in fact, illegal under any circumstance to sell, give away, or otherwise transfer to someone else, any home built firearm.
     
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    California is already doing that, it's called the California public schools
     
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    If you did not manufacture said firearm for sale or distribution, then it is legal to transfer; under the law as written, the government has to prove you intended to sell/distribute the firearm when you manufactured it.
     
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    What definition of "home built"? Assemble from parts, or manufactured from an 80% lower?
     

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