Homeowner shot a 14-year-old during burglary attempt. The 5 other teens with him were charged with m

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Homeowner shot a 14-year-old during burglary attempt. The 5 other teens with him were charged with murder

    In the Philly thread I suggested that anyone who intends to kill some and fails should not be rewarded by being merely charged attempted murder, instead they should be charged with their intent, which is murder. Here we have a brave homeowner defending his property, shoots one the people who appears to have wanted to rob him, the guy dies and the other 5 accomplishes are charged with murder even though that was probably not their intent.

    Anyway, kudos to the homeowner, after confronting the would be robbers what do you think would have happened if he relied on calling the police? He would have been a victim, that’s what would have happened.


     
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    It is too bad their parents never taught their kids the lesson from Proverbs 1:10-19 =https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs1:10-19&version=RSVCE;ERV;NKJV;TLB;KJV
     
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    The under charge against those kids is not going anywhere.
     
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    Under charge?
     
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    Typo! Murder charge against these kids is going nowhere.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you figure?
     
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    The homeowner keeps his Audi INSIDE his house?

    Soooooo to answer your question

    IF age had not acted like Dirty Harry and gone out to confront the little toe rags a fourteen year old child would not now be dead
     
  8. Bush Lawyer

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    Must be some weird Laws in Chicago. There is a Queensland equivalent of sorts.

    So, if that was prosecuted here, the Crown would have to establish that in a burglary committed by two or more, a probable consequence is that the occupier would murder one of them.

    I doubt that was the way that Section of the Code was meant to work. It likely is limited to an offence (in addition to the burglary) which would probably be committed by one of the burglars, not upon one of them by someone else.
     
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    When an tweenager has four friends to go out car jacking with you know the community shares a lot of the blame for that. This didn't just happen, five kids of that age don't just go out and try to commit strong-arm robbery unless they were raised in a setting that glorified such behavior or in the very least facilitated it through indifference. How come there is never a collective of politicians and media personalities bringing the pressure down on the environment that helps create these youth criminals?

    I watched the tech sector liberal elite kick Gab off its hosting provider, off its domain registrar, off its payment processor, and off a few other platforms that they were operating on, all because the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter guy posted hate garbage there and the elite said Gab therefore shared the blame. The elite said shutting Gab down was a necessary step to prevention. I bet we couldn't even count the number criminals being churned out on a daily basis in problematic neighborhood across the country. When will it be time for the opinion makers to focus their outrage machine on them?
     
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    Fitting charge.

    Their actions helped get their buddy killed.

    Should be at 2nd. Degree murder.

    Manslaughter it will likely be pled down to.
     
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    Garbage...they wanted his car, not his Life. His reponse of shooting to kill is disproportionate to the threat.
     
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    Are you unfamiliar with felony murder laws?

    The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.
     
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    If someone dies, committing a felony, ALL PARTIES involved in the felonious act, can be charged with murder in most states.

    Doesn't matter if the felonious group, or member of that group does the deed, OR someone protecting their life, or property.
    The ones committing the felony, are able to be charged.
     
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    Do you just leave the keys in your car? Doors unlocked?
     
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    No one can know their intent, for all he knew they were on a murder spree....he is justified under self defense laws and they are guilty in the same. I would likely have done the same under the circumstances.
     
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    In Illinois and elsewhere if someone dies an unnatural death during the commission of a felony all the perpetrators will be charged with murder. There have been cases where one has been shot dead by the police and his partner was charged with his murder.
    In this case it's pretty mute what the kids get charged with because stealing the car would have likely landed them in Juvie Hall until 18 anyway.
    The tragedy is a child paid with his life for doing something stupid. Someday with enough push weapons than stun and tranquilize will be the norm and maybe children like this on will have a chance to live rather than die for their stupidity.

    "There is no such thing as a bad boy." Father Flanagan
     
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    More details, one of the accomplices stayed to help the shot boy and the others drove to the scene of an accident to ask the police for help. Not exactly ruthless this bunch, just stupid. No mention of what the homeowner did while the child was dying on his lawn.
     
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    I would have smoked a joint to calm down, and make sure my **** was ok.

    Death is sometimes the price you pay, for the life you choose.
     
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    Not only can we go outside to protect our property, here in Tx we can legally shoot them in the back, if at night and you do not know the individual absconding with your belongings. Don't that just ruffle your feathers?
     
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    This goes to show how disconnected from reality you are concerning this issue.

    A 75 year old man goes outside to investigate what's happening on his property. He finds that a group of males much younger than him are trying to steal his vehicle. One of them approaches him with an object in his hand.

    In your world, he should've just stayed inside and hoped that through some magic the teens would miraculously develope a conscience and left his property. Or, maybe he'd wake up in the morning and magically the police would've solved the case and returned his property to him... which isn't likely AT ALL.

    Can you comprehend the fact that that these thieves were bold enough to not only attempt to steal his property, but perhaps worse if he were defenseless?

    This man did the proper thing. He equalized the situation, and as a result, cleaned the streets. This doesn't happen nearly enough
     
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    Okay. Can you cite the Legislation?
     
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    Nope.
     
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    It varies state by state man. Outside of the half dozen or so other replies like mine, (ProfessorPeabody listed one statute) Which state you want?
     
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    Well.....the Law here would require that he wait until their intent to harm him became evident.
     
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