Homophobic slurs when not directed at LGBT individuals

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  1. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Sparked by recent satire directed at President Trump and Vladimir Putin, I wanted to get some opinions on homophobic slurs directed at people, things, ideas, etc. that likely don’t fit into any part of the LGBT community. It doesn’t take much time on the internet or around people prone to poor behavior to know that words like gay, homo, and “starts with an ‘f’ends with a ‘t’ and would be censored here” among plenty of others get thrown about in heated moments. Those along with, as mentioned above, insinuating a person is gay who is not because they would probably not like it; strike me as homophobic regardless of the target of the insult. What do you think? Agree? Maybe you think many of those words have fallen into common use to where they don’t necessarily have to involve homosexuality at all? What’s your take?
     
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    I don’t care what words people use to describe me as long as I am treated equally by the government and legal principle. Being immediately denied the ability to adopt, removed from my home, fired or denied goods and services concern me a great deal however.
     
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    I can appreciate that point of view. I feel the same way for the most part. As long as I have my rights, people being hateful doesn’t really affect me.
    Dp you believe that there’s no inherently homophobic quality to the insults I mentioned when not directed at an LGBT person?
     
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    nothing wrong with being gay, but putting Putin first before America is not good, regardless if it was a he or she

    the attacks against Clinton were not attacks against all heterosexuals either

    "**** hole Countries:
    "grab em by the *****"

    Plenty of Trump words filtered here

    Trump has lowered the level of civility on both sides though I agree - trump is the President, he sadly influences the tone of the country - he needs to lead by example, he wont though, he is a bully, we only got 2 more years, almost half way through the Trump Presidency
     
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    I only mention Trump and Putin because there was a recent satirical video portraying them as gay for each other. Wondering if people view this attack, regardless of the subjects, as “LOL, they’re ****.” Does this come across as homophobic to anyone else?
     
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    did not see the video - it just means they seem to close and people can't explain why - I personally think money laundering or something, but just me, I think there is a reason he wont release his tax returns too

    Trump is a bully to even our allies, then so cozy with Putin, it's weird, he never fights back against Putin or says a bad word about him, in fact defends him - maybe it's just cause he thinks he helped him win the election, who knows
     
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    The thread was less intended to talk about Trump and Putin. The video, which I linked below, was just the catalyst for starting this overall discussion.
     
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    the words woudl of been good enough, dumb video, they went overboard in the sex stuff, I woudl say the same though if about Stormy and Trump, I did not see it as a attack on homosexuals though, just Trump, and a dumb attack at that as the video most people would not even forward as so bad, no wonder I had not seen yet
     
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    Yep, no doubt the video is garbage. I do feel it is an attack on homosexuals though, however unintentional it might be. When the punchline is that a person is gay, it feels like an attack. That’s why I’ve always disliked the angle that when a person opposes gay people they must secretly be gay. I think that person just has a lot of hate in their heart. Nothing more. I guess sometimes they turn out to be gay, though not enough to claim it as any kind of rule.
     
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    this is more about Trump and his unexplainable relationship with Putin, some are joking it may be love, but I think most feel Trump only loves himself, most of us know it has to be something else - could be money laundering, pee tape, ect... or maybe he just wants to do business there when he leaves office, could be as simple as that, Trump comes first with Trump

    now one could say if Putin was a women, woudl it be an attack on powerful women to do the same if Trump was cozy to her, so maybe your right too - making jokes about a relationship are going to far, be it hetero or homo

    that said, trump makes a habit of not being politically correct in his attacks, so harder to defend him against attacks that are not politically correct I suppose

    but if everyone goes down that rabbit hole, could lead to a bad place in the end
     
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    Oh for **** sake do you all of you liberals just completely ignore ANY news that doesn't fit your narrative? Is your view of reality so myopic that you can't acknowledge any information at all that might contradict your suppositions?

    Am I to believe that Putin ordered Trump to chastise the German's and the EU in general for buying NG from Russia? Putin WANTED Trump to try and sabotage his second largest customer? Putin wants Russia to sell LESS of one of its only exports? Google "critical thinking" and try it out for a change.

    Trump shouldn't have to release his tax returns any more than Obama should have to release his college grades. Have them reviewed by some judges for neferious activities and if none are found then put everything in a blind trust like the do and that should be the end of it.

    There was only ONE president who was caught on camera trying to cut a deal with Putin and that was Obama.

     
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    amazing how right wingers have found yet another way to project their hate and hostilities to patriots

    the cartoons made about Dump and Putin have nothing to do with homophobia - it has everything to do with treason which their hero is committing

    and not surprisingly, many of those right wingers still criticize gay rights, oppose gay marriage, and disavow any knowledge of the Log Cabinites and other gay right wingers
     
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    Trump should release his tax returns for the simple fact that he made the oath to do so. Does no one on the right not feel lied to? Is it not strange that he broke tradition but has “nothing to hide”?
     
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    Going by what Trump says is a losing battle. Most Trump supporters know full well that he speaks out of his ass, only a few delusional morons actually believe everything he says. He promised to repeal Obamacare, how did that work out? What I do know is that there is no legitimate reason for anyone to have to release their tax returns just like there is no legitimate reason to have to release your grades. As long as his money is put in a blind trust that should be the end of it.
     
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    I don't think people are necessarily being homophobic when they use terms that way.
     
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    Like there aren't enough already! :wall:
     
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    Tax returns can show items not disclosed to the voters so I have to disagree they are irrelivant.
    To my knowledge he hasn’t placed his money in a blind trust, his family is still profiting greatly off of it and his position as POTUS.
     
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    And of course no other politicians have ever profited from their political position of (insert name of office).
     
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    We should expect demand more of our politicians, neither side holds their candidate to any standards.
     
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    I’m not a right winger by any stretch of the imagination. I’m a pretty hard left gay man; so trust me I’m all for gay rights. I just think when the punchline of a joke is “lol they’re ****” it comes across as homophobic to me. I don’t have to like the president to find a joke at his expense distasteful.
    Fair, I suppose. Do you believe that it’s just a matter of common use?
     
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    There is no such thing as 'homophobia'. It's just a silly word used to attempt the demonisation of people who don't care for the same things you care for.
     
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    It IS an attack, obviously. Just as any slight is intended to be.
     
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    No, I think if somebody that knows I'm homosexual that wants to belittle me because of my sexual orientation and calls me a f****t is being bigoted against homosexuals.
     
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    Hopefully that doesn't happen often, if at all.
     
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    just once that I recall
     
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