Honest Abe...???

You carefully avoided the question, I see. I will presume, for now, that you believe that government determines morality and the Constitution is, quite literally, the definition and be all and end all of lawfulness. Perhaps you would be willing to explain from where the Constitution derives that (allegedly) just authority.

 

You live in CA. because you want to......It suits your needs,...I like visiting CA.,but wouldn't want to live there,because of its radical stances.CA. is also broke!I do a lot of business in CA.....the life style is not to my taking....I will say it again,slavery was a political question about the War of Northern Aggression,but economics was the mainstay.As in the original post,was Abe honest? I don't think so.....if Abe had not been assassinated,would he still be a hero? Grant was a Union hero,but left the office of President in disgrace...Grant was also anti Semitic.As was Honest Abe....no,it wasn't about slavery,it was about economics....History is written by the Victors...BTW CA. has lost many business's in the last few years to Texas and Arizona.....One thing you and I have in common...we're both donors......How about it Mr. Truth?

 

I believe I did mention that slavery (being property) was 60% of the south's assets. In that case the banks did have a play. Lincoln offered a plan to buy the slaves from the south over time and ending slavery that way, but the south cherished their "peculiar institution" and would not even budge on that.
As for California losing business that is true enough, but our economy is still larger than any of the other states and we will rebound quick enough, always have, always will. Our budget will be balanced by this time next year, automatic across the board cuts go in otherwise. We just got done redistricting and made the districts more fair. We will then grow out of our problems.

 

The "Grass" grows green in Kalifornia..out of debt in a year?With Jerry Brown?Pipe(Bong) dreams!Where is the money coming from?....with the eco nuts running all over your state,maybe "Grass" will be a cash crop..As for as slaves being the wealth of the South,they in fact where a liability,which if a war(Mr. Lincolns)wouldn't have been necessary .The cost of slaves had become almost prohibitive,and wages would have been cheaper.You can call a cow a cow,but its still beef,so get to the meat of the issue,which was Norther Aggression,because the South had become so economic sound by trade with foreign countries,which the Northern banks were losing control.

 

The new redistricting virtually guarantees 2/3rd+ Democrat representation in the legislature next year.

They may balance the budget, by raising taxes and driving more production out of the state.

 

I disagree why did lincoln take unilateral command then of the war
and disregard what his commanders said about fort sumnter,sc

I was a deliberate provacation too draw the south in an make it look like
the south was starting the war by attacking a supply vessel

 

650,000 Americans killed........He saved the Union? Was the Union worth 650,000 deaths,brother against brother!Abe slaughtered the Nation for domination of the Southern States,all in the name of the Federal Government! Its "The United States"...not the Federal States....The Constitution was rewritten for Honest Abe and the Eastern Bankers!Lincoln has been hailed as the savior of the Nation,really?

 

Abe lincolns letters are just the facts what had envisiond

He clearly stated he never. Intended for blacks. Too intergrate
and be on the same level as their white counterparts

Also he plan of EMIGRATION OF SLAVES

MONROVIA,LIBERIA,AND THE CARRIBBEAN ISLANDS

Also how about the 16th Potus inaugurational address
it specifically mention not to distrube any processes of the southern states

So where is it your getting this lincoln wanted too free the slaves and
save the world by force from this abhorrent practice

He also argued in his lawyering days for the just compensation
of the. Runaway slaves and or cases like dred scott

 

Lincoln claimed the union existed before the which is a retarded theory

So hence forth their was no such thing as state sovereignty or rights
of any sort thus matter is only for a hegemony of national one size fits all.

Furthermore too the facts if states didn't exist and weren't the soul
governing body why was their an REVOLUNTION FOR INDEPENDENCE./SUCCESSION

FROM THE CROWN OF GREAT BRITIAN

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SUCCESSION YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN AMERICAS REVOLUTION

WHICH IS WHY LINCOLN NEVER RECOGNIZED THE SOUTH TOO GIVE VALIDITY TOO THE RIGHTS OF SUCCESION

ALSO THEIR ARE 3 STATES THAT HAVE HAD IN THEIR STATE CONSTITUTIONS
A CHARTER AND RIGHT TO WITHDRAW FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Virginia,New York, can't remember the 3rd. Rite now sobeit

We still know for fact that the king of england recognized an signed onto
that these 13 STATES ARE FREE AND INDEPENDENT GOVERNING BODIES

WHICH WAS A FACT MERELY WRITTEN INTO PARCHMENT PAPER AND BEING
SIGNED ON JULY 2ND, AND JULY 4TH. 1776

IT WASN'T UNTIL THE RIDICULOUS EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION
THAT HISTORY OF ......."Independence an succession"

Was forever misconstrued and furthermore forever incorrectly taught
by the progressive/communist/socialist/ aka liberal scholars and
Lemming drone teachers

 

You missed the point twice. Slaves were collateral for the loans and liquid assets. The south took loans out and could not release their slaves because they were lien property. Lincoln offered to buy the slaves over a period of time and have them manumitted and then transported back to Liberia in Africa and Panama in Central America. The South refused the offer saying their "peculiar" institution was their right and was not only ethical but a God given moral right. The south insistence on slavery in new states instigated the war. Gov Brown wants to add taxes to the ballot in a free vote, if it does not pass there will be automatic cuts across the board to balance the budget. As for eliminating the debt this will happen over time as growth and inflation will eat it up, not next year as you misread. Fort Sumpter was a federal fort, the south would not let it be resupplied. The fort was picked by the south precisely for that reason, Gen Pierre Gustov Tutount Beaureguard fired upon it in a deliberate war mongering traitorous fashion and caused the eventual death of 630,000 Americans. Lincoln had many opinions expressed by various Generals during the war, the decision to not abandon the fort and attempt resupply was the right choice for the Commander and Chief of the US armed forces. If anything, Lincoln should not have listened too much to his generals.

 

that explains much. how many years has your ankle been broken?

 

Where is the fairy tale you speak that lincoln offered a deal of reparation of just compensation
for the slave owners of the south.

The fort sumnter was a trap set up by lincoln with. Blatant disregard for his generals advice

Lincolns problem during the war was an will always be his arrogance that he was the supreme general
to harken back to his illinios military. Days which shows clearly he was a mouthpiece politician

And never acommander the only blood lincoln shed was from the. Skeeters in the. Days of his
oppresion of the indians

Lincoln tried an failed repeatedly. Until he meet his evil prodigee an cohort
the ulysses "the butcher" grant

And insofar as cali fornees. Politics go I dnt care until they gonna. Need abailout aren't they
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I honestly don't know how to respond to that.

 

Clark when two different folks read a same book,most times you get different opinions of the outcome.Lincoln's prominence in history is due to the fact of his assassination..Failed at most anything he tried,until politics overwhelmed him......He also failed in a less than stellar a tempt save the Nation as a whole....650,000 killed,North and South,needs no explanation!

 

I just wanna stick 2 one fact here about the buying of slaves

I have read a wee lil bit about lincoln, and never once did I see anything
of him offering too buy out the slaves over time

What I did read was.lincoln refused too meet with any party from the south
Too find. A peaceful resolve like purchasing the slaves and
letting the conferderacy rejoin the union

Another sidenote about the liberia,monorvia and central american
Emigrants lincolned wished an was actively working that plan
Until his untimely death

Which furthers the point he never had no intention making slaves free
or intergrating the societies

Somone alreadyposted on here some of his messages
that were anything but clear on he was calling for
it always left him an out

Lincoln was a master politician as much as I dislike he
Actions as president he was a master politician

That is why he failed in the military and excelled @ he
politicing career

 

I still believe tho lincoln. Was an is and always will bee a master politician

Look at the gettysburg address if we read it carefully it didn't free nobody from
The south an the slaves who were In the north were for most part considered free

And the industrial revolution would have brought a faster end too slavery than
A war of force

Britian ended slavery peacefully in its land an eventually all the colonies
without starting an abhorrent war

So. This nonsense that lincoln ended slavery is just a repeated myth
in our countries halls of indoctrination/schools

The real reason for the war was from the tariffs that were crippling the souths economy
full expense of the south too bee subserviant too the north

And their protectionist trade tariffs

It started right. From the beginning of the constitution with the north
trying too schem the governm ent for more an more protectionist
trade tariffs


And if you've ever read anything about the great 7th potus. Andrew Jackson

You'll see he hated the central banking scheme an the monied interest
and protectionist tariffs the north was always pushing for at the expense of the south

Now jackson did alot of things I completely disagree with tho he had many great
aspects too him an his presidency

 

He did oversee the birth of the American empire. The union was killed in order to save it.

 

Yes big 10/4 on that post

I think the south would have crushed the norths economy if lincoln didn't force the south into the tyranny of the union

Just think if those tariffs didn't apply no more too southern ports like
Charleston,SC and New Orleans,LA

They would have left Boston and New York in the dust

I think the proverbial. Handwriting was on the. Wall..in my pompous opinion

It was all about protectionism politics and the economies of the
the South too which would have been. The demise of the North

My pompous. Opinion only

 

Actually the war started over 70 years earlier when those way to perfect to be criticized people known as the "founding fathers" hard coded slavery into the Constitution.

It created a set of competing economic systems that could never coexist and to an inevitable ending. A war that decided which system would be dominant.

 

Actually, once again, the dreaded "General Welfare" clause raises its ugly head.

 

"Honest Abe" ?.........When the N.E. Banks took over after the war(Civil),they have kept a strangle hold on the South.But ,there is change in the wind...after a 150 years....more business is moving to the South,which will set the stage for another financial crisis....

 

I do. Wish too understand this their was 3. States that had written into and ratified there own state consitutions in full openess

That if they so choose they can withdraw from the entity known a the united. States

If I shall further beg too know where is it declared that every state must stay in the compact
of mutual agreement known as the united states

The general welfare clause is probably in a tie for the most misunderstood and misused
clause in the constitution

The written clauses don't give opened ended up restricted unlimited power
it is a directive on how too pursue the fully descriptive an very limited powers that bee.

And 3rdly .....the industrial revolution would have crushed the ability of slave producing farms vs.
Mechanized producing farms

The simple economics of advanced machinery would have finished off the slave business for sure
just the cost alone too maintain the trade was burdensome

And with a new more efficent and productive and cheaper way too farm the end would have been reached peacefully.

The war was just an excuse too implement the hamilitonian style of government
known as the America System which Henry Clay,Lincoln Mentor was trying too keep going

So as we know the freemarket lost out and the American System was carved in stone forever

 

Why was war inevitable? Other countries eliminated slavery quite peacefully. Some before the US, some after. The Constitution itself has a mechanism for change.

 

It was going to happen because of Northern Aggression,which they didn't think the South would fight....The South shouldn't have fought a war they couldn't win....Abe knew this,and this was his way of cleansing the South of its wealth....He murdered 650,000 people in order to keep his strangle hold on southern tariffs,its always about money...Economics trump rights...

 

Very suprised. Ol. Sparticus ain't in here tryn too

Save the benevolent dictators great character

He prolly just skeered of me txt typing

Can't handle it quitter