House passed FAIR universal background checks bill

I would to as I know my friends' histories and therefore know whether or not my friends are convicted felons. Basically the background check is my knowing my friends background.

 

Since criminals are already successfully acquiring thousands of firearms through straw purchases, the background check system is proving not only ineffective, but devoid of a reason for even existing in the first place. It does not prevent the illegal acquisition of firearms, and those that do violate the system are not prosecuted. It is nothing more than political theater to present the false illusion of safety.

 

NICS checks are very effective at preventing criminals and fugitives from justice and the mentally deranged, from buying guns from tens of thousands of licensed gun dealers and ALL gun owners in California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon,Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and D.C.

 

They could do that up until 1968. What was the homicide rate prior to 1968 and subsequent to 1968.

 

Somewhat effective. If the NICS database is incomplete people like the First Baptist Church shooter can still get a gun, or if the process is broken people like the Charleston Church shooter can still get a gun.

If you think that gun owners in those states aren't selling guns without a background check, your naivete has grown to weapons grade level. Straw purchases still occur in all of those locations, theft still occurs in all of those locations and criminals with guns are still selling those guns to other criminals without background checks.

"Very effective" is a subjective term with no real substance.

 

The ATF has stated otherwise. They have stated that background checks, both through federally licensed firearm dealers, and when required for private firearm transactions, do nothing to prevent the illegal acquisition of firearms. The department of justice has even stated such as being the case, as such efforts are undermined and rendered useless by straw purchases and theft.

 

Another gun grabbing infringement on my rights? NO THANKS...

 

Why don't we first enforce the laws on the books. Why does making a new law always make liberals feel good? I do not get it.

 

Unless I am wrong if you are a rapist, murder, child-molester then you are a felon and would be barred from owning a weapon. But you know this Ron. Why must you always type such nonsense?

 

We're saved.

Criminals can now no longer get firearms.

 

No gun control is reasonable anymore, it's going to be a slippery slope to disarmament. We already have a background check system and the vast majority of gun owners are not the perpetrators in crimes. 90% of gun deaths come from illegal guns, you're just hurting legal gun owners when you should be tackling inner cities with their massive numbers of illegal guns from thugs and gangs.

 

Can't, just like you can't prove the opposite. However, mine makes common sense, while yours doesn't. Criminals don't like witnesses.

 

Exactly. Under that law, I couldn't sell a gun to my co-worker who has a security clearance, nor to my wife's coworkers who are teachers, and have also had background checks. The background check needed for a security clearance or to become a teacher are much stricter than those in the NICS

 

There are several recent notorious examples of people who have passed the NICS checks and should not have and then went on to do mass shootings. The recent Aurora, IL shooting, as well as the Texas church shooter. In the Aurora case, the man had been convicted of a felony years before, and got a IL firearms ID card after a NICS check. In the Texas church shooting case, the man had been dishonorably discharged from the military for domestic violence, and he also passed a NICS check. The NICS has been almost useless to stop even convicted felons and the equivalent. The only saving grace to NICS is that it's convenient. A common sense gun control law (which your side so often brings up) would be to require all bureaucrats to do their job and report such offenses. Maybe make it a felony to fail to enter appropriate information into the system that disallows gun use, if that failure allows the felon to buy a gun and they actually injure someone. Then, I might agree that NICS actually does something other than "security theater."

 

Democrats just tried to make sure that an illegal alien who tries to purchase a firearm illegally is not turned over to law enforcement.

They just pissed in the face of every Democrat who tries to convince people that background checks are for "safety".

 

I live in Colorado and I will speculate that the number of people doing NICS checks on private sales is very, very small. In order to perform these checks you have to go to a FFL, and in the rural areas that I live in that could be a very long drive. Where I live virtually no one has NICS checs done on private sales. Maybe it happens in the big cities (Denver), I don't know. If I had direct access (web search directly to the database) and it was either free or very low cost, I might consider it.

 

I have friends here in CO that are cops that wouldn't sell guns to friends through an FFL.

 

Just show me where that is working already

 

The entire united states whenever someone is convicted for violating the established statutes against murder and manslaughter. Such does not require a redefinition of what murder and manslaughter amount to, in order to make a conviction possible.

 

Bueller??

 

its worthless as crime control and unconstitutional.

 

background checks are Constitutional AND common sense.

thats unless u want criminals buying guns at Walmart?

 

If they aren't enforceable or effective then they aren't "common sense". Why do you think you're smarter than the experts at the Department of Justice? What makes you think that criminals don't get a straw purchaser to buy from Walmart, or just go to a street dealer, or steal them?

If we don't put more than a tiny fraction of a percentage point of those felons who get caught lying on the Form 4473 in jail, then they are free to get guns from any other source.

 

What is not understood, is that background checks can only qualify as such, if they are limited exclusively to those who possess a federally licensed firearms license, as they are the only ones who can actually be tasked with executing them. Private citizens cannot, as the requirement is too easy to ignore, and those who do cannot be found in order to be prosecuted for noncompliance.

Straw purchasers already are, and they are not being prosecuted for doing such.

 

Tell trump. That is a federal crime.

I guess he is soft on crime