Household Battery Subsidy

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that is like saying the garden to produce vegetables and pens to hold the pigs, goats and cattle and smaller pens for the chickens will catch on as a cost saving measure.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And where will they toss away all the spent batteries?
     
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    From anecdotal evidence including my father's next door neighbour with the right setup the cost of electricity can be reduced to cover the cost within 5 years and solar panels today are predicted to last 15 to 20 years.
    There are some energy producers like origin energy that offer deals.
    https://www.originenergy.com.au/for-home/solar.html

    https://www.energyaustralia.com.au/...ries/solar-battery-storage/get-a-free-battery

    and other companies offering good deals.
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/...n/news-story/064cc5aca76307fe4f60269b664c06c0
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once a person grasps the reason for the electoral college, the idea becomes awesome.

    What imparts the wisdom into the typical voters head needed to pick the only two offices where the electoral college works so well?

    Nothing imparts such wisdom. They are today first schooled by others who do not get it either. A case of the deaf trying to lead the deaf.
     
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    By now you are entirely using Solar, amiright? By the way, the benefits accrue to you so there is no need to come as a beggar asking your neighbors to buy you a system. Buy it all by yourself. You want the savings you claim are yours.
     
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    I understand perfectly why it was started just can't figure out why it's still needed
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Easy to grasp. But for it, we would have a rather shiftless female president. We needed it more this last election than most of our past.
     
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    The property I own is 100% self sufficient for energy, water and food. I ATM don't live there for other reasons but plan on retiring there within 5 years. A friend and I are even experimenting with pumped hydro albeit on a very small scale using two dams and a reasonable hill.
     
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    So you are saying it is used deliberately to stop the democratic process? To manipulate the will of the majority? To defeat what 100's of thousands of young American men died to achieve?
     
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    I don't have issues with creation and growth of renewable energy manufacturing. I have a problem with demanding those who can least afford it pay for it while others profit.
     
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    As I continue to point out, Sure you are able to pay for these policies and you claim to be doing so on the basis of principle not need. I wonder, just how many of the US population have the disposable income to pay the same price you are demanding of them??? OR do you suggest you are the poorest in the US???
    The poor don’t care about fossil fuel cartels and if the earth’s temperature is going to rise 1 or 2 degrees in case you didn’t know, they are more worried about what they are going to eat, were they can shelter from the weather. They aren’t sitting their trying to convince everybody they know how to fix the planet or what others should be doing with their lives. They are just hoping to be give enough of the scraps you throw their way to survive another year, month, week and day. While you are trying to convince them they should be living the way you want them too…

    WOW, is it just the libertarian fiscal positions that caused the GFC??? The bubble and malfeasance was created in 1 term of governance that brought the world to its financial knees??? My god man, was and still is an issue of successive governments who not only allowed but promoted the unethical activities that crashed the worlds markets putting some countries into bankruptcy with most in huge debt. If you think that this was caused through giving tax cuts, sorry but the stupidity has not been removed from the American acronym. Australia was brought to billion dollar debt as well under an ALP government who thought if you just throw money at it, everything will be fine. Without thought or process Australia borrowed huge quantities of money, so much so that Australia had to borrow to pay the interest on those debts. Government grants were cancelled, government programs were cancelled and government subsidies where cancelled because they could not pay for the debt they created.
    SO don’t throw US issues to Australian problems as some sort of support for Australian programs. It just shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    You would not be eligible until you have purchased a solar array of suitable size, so by your own admission.
    The battery subsidies will do nothing for ordinary Australians in freeing them from dependence. IT will help wealthy Australians to use the some of the energy they from solar to be used at night when they are not generating power. Fact is, not sure how many of the ordinary Australians have 15k to 20k but the government will create a billion dollar government department to administer it. As per usual, it’s called artificially create jobs that do nothing to pretend your growing your nation.
     
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    How do we subsidies Gina Rinehart??? Are you telling me the Fuel subsidies??? Let us get it straight from the start, the only reason the fuel subsidy exists is because of the GST. It is only the Greens who don’t understand what it is for.

    It comes down to the fact constitutionally government is not allowed to charge a tax on a tax. Since the GST is leveraged on the final price of fuel it covers a hell of a lot of taxes (OR levies) thus making it illegal. The fuel subsidies are to reimburse.

    I like the way you talk for the poor of the nation, doesn’t change the facts. This policy will be paid by those who can least afford it. At the stroke of a government pen that is…


    Don’t know if you wrote anything to that affect, it wasn’t a reflection on the poster so who it was is not an issue.

    Now that 60% figure, interesting… I think we know where that comes from, as an ideal. Look the point is here, creating large subsidies to residential properties which will be paid by those who can least afford it is simply tokenistic garbage that does nothing to reducing emissions. Just as the Carbon tax was modelled to double Australia’s emissions by taxing the end users. For manufacturing while subsidising the manufacturing this policy will simply create a cost which will be detrimental to the poor while actually achieving nothing in reductions.

    Perhaps, you should consider subsidising the warehouses and businesses to build solar arrays and battery systems which will reduce their emissions??? No, it is not a fix and it does nothing but grow animosity with the people to business.

    Coal is at the moment paying for the renewable sector in Australia. If you listen to the ALP and Greens, the clean energy program being attacked by the current government so there is distinct drop off with the renewable market. Considering the clean energy guarantee is a program that taxes energy production to subsidies the renewable market. If the market will not grow without it, and in fact been reducing because of cuts, then the renewable is not viable. Either way, doesn’t detract from the point made.

    Indeed it is not result of supply and demand, but this policy exists on that same premise and look who it comes from the party that claims be for the people…

    Not sure it the last was stand-alone but creating or supporting a policy because you feel insulted, is plainly wrong. Just as you’re saying people are envious of one group they ignore that others are envious of them. It just does nothing to help to simply assume insult or victim at every turn because you or somebody else does not agree.

    BUT you support a policy that benefits those who have disposable income to sit back and demand others live the life they want them too.


    In other words, here I agree with the philosophy that those who can carry more of the weight should do so. No argument, but this policy is giving money to those who can carry more weight and demanding those who cannot pay for it. This policy only gives to those who can buy solar arrays of a certain specification while those who cannot will have to pay for it with higher energy prices and taxes. Along with this, comes the tax cuts to wealthy.

    Honestly, this clot Shorten (you know I don’t like him) needs to be knocked on the head. Clearly it is about giving to the rich and making the poor pay for it. Reducing opportunity for the poor and working class to placate the support of the wealthy to get the top job. I will never vote for him but I would applaud his efforts IF he was to work for the people and not for his own wellbeing.
     
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    At this point it has become abundantly obvious that you are not actually interested in the OP topic at all.

    Instead you are simply trolling for the sake of trolling and by doing so you have effectively DISQUALIFIED yourself from any further meaningful interaction on this topic as far as I am concerned.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    LOL, I don't know what you think the OP is, but everything I have said is directly relevant to the topic. You haven't in anyway shown in different just realised you cannot refute my point. BUT hey, that is your take.

    I will have a nice day, and wish you a good one as well.
     
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    What is the American acronym?
     
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    USA.
     
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    double post
     
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    Why not 100%? We do, Ergon gives us cheques.
     
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    So tell us DV, why are so many people so desperate to migrate to capitalist countries? If you think capitalism is so bad why don't you move to a socialist state, like North Korea for example.
     
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    I oppose subsidies, but could be persuaded into some sort of tax credit.

    I support a nuclear grid, wind power for remote communities, household solar for individual homes. Free choice in vehicles - IC or EV.
     

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