https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...in-the-1970s/C7EC0E0C0F5FF1F4488AA47C787DEC01 The GOP was originally pro choice because it's a personal freedom. Now they are the party of big statist intervention. How can you be pro life and republican. Seems counter intuitive e to me. Seems the only reason they're pro life is because of big money interests.
A. They obviously have no respect for women or their rights and have no qualms about taking away those rights...... B. They use their anti-abortion("pro-life") stance to reel in stupid /one issue voters. C. They say they hate Big Government but worship it if it takes away women's rights. D. They are ONLY Pro-fetus-life because that is one way to control and punish women. Once that kid is born it's cut funding for WIC, SNAP, Welfare , healthy school lunches, anything that aids CHILDREN..
Way to project your own prejudice on those that disagree with you. Could it simply be that those who are pro life, for the most part, care for the life of the unborn? Disagree with them all you want, but at least get our motivations straight.
I agree. I'm a republican (emphasis on the little r) and although I see abortion as an abomination against humanity, I see its restriction as an existential threat to individualism and free will. If you look around a bit, you'll see me advocating for its protection as an accessible right and for the promotion of its more humane competitors as a means to reduce it in the voluntary dynamic. Im not sure I see 'big money interests' playing a big role, but it has certainly become a political football and a tool for social division. I'm pretty sure that were I to ever be successful in convincing enough of my fellow conservatives that abortion needed to be protected out of legal precedent and they stopped trying to ban it (not holding my breath), the left would be pushed to flip on it. TPTB can't have us uniting on anything. If I had to guess, the 501c3 pulpits were used to do precisely this to the right after the left came around the first time.
FoxHastings said: ↑ A. They obviously have no respect for women or their rights and have no qualms about taking away those rights...... B. They use their anti-abortion("pro-life") stance to reel in stupid /one issue voters. C. They say they hate Big Government but worship it if it takes away women's rights. D. They are ONLY Pro-fetus-life because that is one way to control and punish women. Once that kid is born it's cut funding for WIC, SNAP, Welfare , healthy school lunches, anything that aids CHILDREN.. No, I 'm not "projecting"...I'm using what I learned from discussions on abortion, here and other places... In here there has been some posters , all high minded and "I care so much about the Gerber baby that pregnant woman have in their tummies". However, after some debate they ALWAYS, ALWAYS follow a pattern and before long, after being hit with fact after fact, they ALWAYS resort to "The slut should've kept her legs together" , ""she deserves what she gets", ""Women have to pay for having sex"., "Not one penny of mine for abortion !or some form of those lines."..SHOWING how it's really punishing women and money they're worried about not that Gerber baby they want people to envision.... Then there is my list above which has been shown to be true by Republicans and no one has proven it false..
And the commitment to affordable health care, healthy school food, heck, even good TV programming (Repubs cut funding to educational TV for children) butt oh, how they prize the fetus !!!
First off, I don't have to support every aspect of an issue to care about it. For example, as you know, I'm a huge second amendment advocate. However I'm not an NRA member and in fact disagree with some of their standpoints. I contribute to the second amendment cause in other ways. Same with abortion. I don't know the ins and outs of maternity leave to make an informed opinion on it. On surface level, I don't see anything wrong with it. As for child support, again, I don't know enough to make an opinion. I could ask the same of you. If you're so adamant about the woman's right to choose then why aren't you in the streets protesting or starting a gofundme to donate to planned parenthood?
Abortion isn't and never was a right. But, what about the unborn child's rights? That's quite the conspiracy saying child bearing controls and punishes women. The funny thing is that most of these lefties want to be able to kill a baby but want a violent/dangerous convicted murderer to be saved. You guys got these issues bass ackwards.
FoxHastings said: ↑ A. They obviously have no respect for women or their rights and have no qualms about taking away those rights...... B. They use their anti-abortion("pro-life") stance to reel in stupid /one issue voters. C. They say they hate Big Government but worship it if it takes away women's rights. D. They are ONLY Pro-fetus-life because that is one way to control and punish women. Once that kid is born it's cut funding for WIC, SNAP, Welfare , healthy school lunches, anything that aids CHILDREN.. Well, you couldn't address the point sin the post of mine you quoted but I will address yours. Abortion may not be a right but a person has a right to their own body....even if they're women. A fetus has no rights. IF a fetus was deemed a legal person with it's rights would come the same restrictions we all have. One restriction is that we cannot use another's body to sustain our life...and NO , I do not mean feeding someone with a spoon, I mean actually using their physical body to sustain the life of another in things like blood transfusions and transplant, we do not have to allow anyone to compromise our immune system or use our circulatory system....and neither do women... And no, the gross lie that lefties want to " kill babies" is not true. and YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT IT IS. There are no "babies" involved in abortion anymore than there are teenagers or adults being aborted. Use of adult scientific terms is proper. The opposite (killing BAAAAABIES) is just meant to stir emotions and cloud good judgement and FACTS. Adults who use facts call them embryos or fetuses. Pro-Choicers want women to have the same rights YOU , and everyone else, enjoy. For the other errors: Not all lefties are Pro-Choice, not all lefties are against execution of criminals (which has NOTHING to do with abortion anyway) OK,you want the fetus to have rights? Why more rights than anyone else???
If a pregnant women is murdered or injured in an attack and the unborn baby is killed in the process then the charge is murder for the baby's death. Unborn babies, or fetuses do have rights. You can call it whatever you want, it's still an unborn child. Women do have the same rights as me. Speaking of rights, why should you have a right to kill a baby and not me too. Since you say why more rights than anyone else.
What about them? Want to try and draft legislation that A) determines when they start - conception or implantation or detection of pregnancy? B) differentiates between a natural abortion and an induced one when abortifacients are in the mix C) ensure that women who require termination for medical reasons are not incarcerated D) allows women to decide what degree of medical risk they want to take with a pregnancy
Not everywhere and not at all stages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act It specifically makes an exception for abortion BECAUSE there are circumstances where abortions MUST be performed to save a woman's life
What about the born child's rights to the essentials of life? Is there any mechanism to support those children once born?
How do you know I don't? I action this by educating people about contraception (do YOU know the failure rates for "typical" use with condoms?) and reasons why women choose abortion. Are you aware that a significant number of women seeking abortions already have one child and at present living below the federal poverty line?
I sure don't! Does giving you permission to conceive a baby, then kill it improve your life? Or anyone's life?
And I educate people about the second amendment through forums. I personally don't care what you choose to promote and how you promote it. My point is I don't have to know everything about an issue to hsve an opinion on it.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-statesHat is there to know about the second amendment? Does a gun need a condom? But you do need to know when you can and cannot exercise those rights What people need to be educated about is how abortion laws work, and that is because mostly they don't. Abortion is illegal here in Queensland where I live but we have openly operating abortion clinics. It is illegal in the U.K. But they have openly operating abortion clinics. Where, though thelaws do not allow for any exceptions, such as El Salvador women are facing up to 30 years jail for a miscarriage
Does having legislation like that in El Salvador where women face up to 50 years jail for a miscarriage make anyone's life better? https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/story/miscarriage-murder Legislation does not work Standing on street corners screaming for abstinence does not work.........mind you it does put off a lot people from having sex with you lols! Calling women sluts does not work, and BTW what are you doing about stopping the men spraying sperm everywhere? What works is good education on sex and human interaction as well as access to reliable contraception
100% agree. I am also republican/conservative and support the right of a woman to have an abortion - not so much on a philosophical level, but on a realistic level. It doesn't make sense to bring a child into this world who is not wanted by his/her parents. I wish the Republicans would agree.
Still you have yet to figure out the fallacious nonsense in the above post ? Let me know when you have some valid justification that shows why your claim " single human cell (zygote) is a living human" is true.
. That is under the UVVA, which I'm sure you have no knowledge of but it is the UNBORN VICTIMS of Violence Act.. It does NOT deem the fetus a legal person with rights and it can't, it doesn't have the power. YOU can call it anything you like because that doesn't matter in the real adult world. It is still UNBORN and still has NO rights. . Yes, and we want to keep it that way. No one has a right to kill a baby !! Where did you get that silly idea?? I asked why you think a fetus should have more rights than anyone else.... I see you couldn't be bothered to read my post and learn something. I see you can't hit "reply" so a poster knows you replied.
Political parties over the years have shifted positions to increase party membership. In 1976,The GOP gambled on picking up a new demographic.
