How Did Donald Trump cheat in the 2016 election?

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama is the guy Trump erased. I’m not surprised you don’t remember him.

    And illegals did vote, some were even deported over it much to the angst of liberals. I would post links, but then your next argument would be that the number of times they voted was meaningless. Think of it this way, illegals voted more times than Putin did, and look at the stink you guys made over that.
     
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    Sure.... 3 million. How do we know? Because Alex Jones would never lie.
     
  3. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, obama did tell the illegals to get out and vote, so your number is probably higher.
     
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    2 year Mueller investigation was a bust. Asking for a look into the Biden "5" was not an attempt to cheat for 2020. He'll be acquitted of that too.
     
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    nope, Trump was given a pass on that one, and what happened, Trump did it again..

    Trump was already impeached, no wiping that stain off his record

    yes, republicans won't fire him over it, but he will always be the 3rd President to be impeached
     
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    and it is the first Partisan impeachment in history. It will be remembered that way. It was a sham with three Democrats voting no.
     
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    Therr is no evidence that he did.
     
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    He didn't get a pass, a lengthy investigation done ny people who were very much against him could not find evidence that he did anything wrong..
    That makes him 100% innocent. There is also no evidence he did it in Ukraine either.
     
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    Dayton, he had the gall to WIN- and after all the advance gloating an mockery of his daring to run, that became an offense to the arrogant and self-righteous egos of the opposition- and a msasive embarrassment.
    In the eyes of today's democrats, that's cheating. Very much like a small child not getting his way- he's been cheated. Because of reasons....

    But of course you know this. Yes, it is hard to accept because you and I don't think that way, and can't warp our minds to the point where it could seem rational. It's not rational, it just is what it is.
     
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    2016 was an election for Hillary to lose and lose it she did. Trump didn't win it, Hillary lost it on her own. Laziness, she had that bug. From 1 Sep 2016 through 8 Nov 2016 Trump made 116 campaign visits, stops, rallies etc to Hillary's 71. That 71 was smaller than it looks as it included fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. Ceding the campaign trail to Trump was just her first misstep.

    Her campaign strategy was the most inept strategy I have witness since G.H.W. Bush's back in 1992. That is trying to obtain more electoral votes than Obama did was a campaign strategy. This strategy led Hillary to put much time, energy and money into winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah when she should have paid some attention to her own backyard, the so called blue wall states. Hillary took them for granted, she basically totally ignored Wisconsin and Michigan. She ceded Florida with it's rich 29 electoral votes to Trump letting him both outwork her and out campaign her.

    The media, Hillary ran and hide. Trump called into every morning talk show and dominated the news as the number one story, the headliner throughout the campaign. It's amazing Hillary raised and spent 1.191 billion dollars to Trump's 646.8 Million and still lost. Apparently money alone, won't buy you an election. There's many more reasons, most under Hillary's control. She lost because she was lazy, she had an inept campaign strategy, she peeved off and made Sanders supporters mad by having the Democratic primaries rigged in her favor, she came across to the independent voter as aloof, elitist, she failed to inspire and enthuse her base, she just didn't have that fire in the belly it took to win. She took her election for granted, after all she went up against the worst candidate the Republicans could nominate, an obnoxious, uncouth Trump. Perhaps Hillary forgot she actually had to put forth an effort.
     
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    "Hillary got more votes", and "Trump was impeached", are part of their self affirmation mantra.
     
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    At no time has Obama ever said any such thing.
     
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    Trump won the election. Then the Democrats stole the mid term House elections with the help of a complicit media that told Americans, day and night for two years, convincing many that Trump and Republicans were traitors and a threat to the Constitution. By the time the Mueller report came out to the contrary, it was too late for people to change their votes.
     
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    There will never be a way of counting the votes that Russia's interference caused. How many people thinking of buying a new car were swayed by a Ford commercial they saw or perhaps a Chevrolet commercial they saw? We don't know and never will. Few people will admit they were on the fence until 'something' (perhaps a commercial) swayed them).
     
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    I was so put off by Trumps conduct that I almost voted for Hillary until I saw her on CNN, pandering to feminists and black lives matter. So I voted for Trump. And I'm glad I did. He has turned out to be progressively pro American.
     
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    Let's clear up a couple of things. While Trump was not identified as a participant in the Russian meddling by Mueller, his campaign team was so identified. Trump's open invitation to Russia to get involved in our election ("Russia. If you can find those 30,000 missing emails...") was suspicious, especially when Russia immediately went after Hillary.

    Second, we will never know if any votes were changed in the election. It seems illogical Russian intelligence would spend a ton of Rubles on a dry well.

    At any rate, 2016 is long past. What we need to focus on is keeping Russia and others out of our election process.
     
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    And we know Obama said that because.... Fox edited the tape. And Fox would never edit out a relevant part of an interview, would they?

    Of course not! Fox viewers aren't that gullible, are they?

    This is the relevant part of the interview. Emphasis added to the part edited out by Fox because it clarifies what he's talking about. Can you spot where 3 million illegals were supposed to have spotted Obama telling them to vote?

    RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

    OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

    RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

    OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don’t want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school…

    RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

    OBAMA: … who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.​

    And can you spot where Obama is "ordering" states to allow illegal immigrants to vote?

    You have been duped by fake news!

    Another Social Media conspiracy theory (the ones they used to cheat Trump into the presidency) is debunked.

    Bottom line: you have proven once again that there is no way Trump would ever be President or that he would ever get re-elected without all the cheating by lying to a gullible audience.

    There is only one way to not be duped by fake news: Don't let Fox, the wingnut echo chamber and Russian bots do the thinking for you... Think for yourself!
     
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    Why do you think Donald Trump was the least bit serious?
     
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    That wasn't my question.
     
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    It doesn't matter. What matters is their target audience can be convinced that he did. This gets repeated till it's true because most people have no idea what the context was.
     
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    The message in the phrase about the 30 thousand emails is not a literal. Trump wasn't telling them to find those emails. He was telling Russia to help him any way they could. And Russia did!

    Either way, publicly asking somebody to do something illegal to benefit you is just as serious whether it's a joke or not. Especially knowing that they could do it... and that there are reasons why they would be willing to do it.
     
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    That's a load of horse poop. Trump wasn't talking to the Russians, he was talking to his base and we watched the whole exchange. It was a sarcastic remark about Hillary's inability to produce those emails. This was also when Russian interference was the DNC excuse for the results of totally losing contact with blue collar America and blowing the election.

    Trump had no political record to run on then but now he has a long list of accomplishments both foreign and domestic. Democrats have one failed impeachment. He was beatable then, not so much now.
     
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    The dems cheated when obama told illegal aliens to vote. That is why hillary got the popular vote: illegal aliens and dead people are the new democrat base.
     
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    Given a pass? Holy cow, you do realize we all watched that circus?
     
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    So you claim that Trump didn't know that his speech would be on national TV? And that he didn't know that the Russians were following our elections closely, and had already hacked the DNC server?

    I doubt he wouldn't know all that, but it wouldn't surprise me given how unintelligent he is.

    So you agree with me that Senators have already made up their minds to exonerate Trump regardless of any facts that may come up. I do agree with you that a President who is given a license by the Senate to cheat has a formidable advantage.
     

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