How far should border control go to stop these caravan INVASIONS?

Lethal force is only justified as a response to lethal force. Rock throwers are volunteering to be shot, imo, though I would prefer they be dealt with non-lethally as well. The ones just trying to get in should be controlled non-lethally and/or arrested and deported if they're successful. We've had, for over a decade, sub-sonic interference wave generators that induce immediate crowd-wide vomiting, diarrhea and effective incapacitation without any permanent damage or long-term effects. We should be using this along the entire border.

 

Gunfire, even small caliber, is deadly force. Rimfire weapons are still lethal weapons. I hate to break it to you. And you also literally just said "TAKING LIFE" when rubber bullets and gas don't stop them from crossing the border. Are you now taking that back? Make up your mind.

If you want to change your answer to lethal force in self-defense only, which is not what you just said above, then I welcome that. That's my position too.

 

For some of them, you are correct. For others you are not. We are obligated to grant asylum for those who qualify. Many of those on the caravan do not because what they flee is not something viewed as an applicable reason to accept asylum. What I wish is we fixed the process so that is was quick and we eliminated those who do not qualify.

 

Yes, I want to see the interview take three minutes and in minute four they are boarding a bus to be escorted back to Mexico by our military.

 

No, what I said was, "Taking life only as a last resort when the mobs reach high numbers and the rubber bullets and gas don't stop them or when the mobs themselves are launching deadly projectiles at our defenders."

 

I would say that border control should go from El Paso to Imperial Beach.

 

"when the mobs reach high numbers and the rubber bullets and gas don't stop them"

As I said, you are supporting taking life when rubber bullets and gas don't stop them from crossing the border illegally. Oh, you are right, you did add the requirement that there are a lot of them . . . which doesn't really change my criticism at all. You are are still talking about killing them for committing a misdemeanor.

 

That is absolutely wrong......you left out "or when the mobs themselves are launching deadly projectiles at our defenders."

Riot and assault with deadly weapons is NOT a misdemeanor.

You are so intent on protecting the criminals that you are not thinking straight.......you automatically twist things to make these Mestizo/Amerindian aliens VICTIMS instead of criminals.

When they rush the border crossing and assault peace officers they are criminals.

There is NO WAY you can sugar coat it.

 

Or. . . . or. Do I seriously need to explain what the word OR means? Seriously? You said or, not and. You have to know the difference. If I said "We should execute people for wearing red or for committing murder," then I'm suggesting we execute people for wearing red, whether or not they are also murderers. If you are now saying you'd like to change "or" to "and," then go for it. That would fix the legal problems with your position.

In case this really does, somehow, require more explanation, the word "or" is a logical disjunction. It means either A or B.

You said, "Taking life only as a last resort when the mobs reach high numbers and the rubber bullets and gas don't stop them or when the mobs themselves are launching deadly projectiles at our defenders."

That means, unless you made a mistake in your writing, you are saying we should take life if either of the two situations are true:
1) the mobs reach high numbers and the rubber bullets and gas don't stop them
or
2) the mobs themselves are launching deadly projectiles at our defenders

It is #1 that I'm objecting to, and you are now trying to pretend that you didn't say it at all. And you keep dancing back and forth. One minute you agree with me that lethal force should only be used in self defense, and the next you say I'm a traitor to my country for believing that. Which is it? Make up your mind.

 

LOL! Either Or......take your choice.

When they're rioting and rushing the border and assaulting police officers it sure as hell is not a misdemeanor.

As I said.......you are attempting to make the criminals the victims.

Please rethink.

 

You're right its a complicated issue & the employers who take advantage of the illegals
dont want a solution and certainly dont want to be held accountable.
Most Americans want a humane secure solution, but I think Trump ( as much as I detest him) is sending a message that needs to be sent right now.
I dont think whats happening is as inhumane as the media tries to portray it.

 

How far should border control go to stop these caravan INVASIONS?
America has always been a place welcoming those who leave their country under duress or in fear of political violence towards themselves or their families. It's been a morally & spiritually correct stance to take. We have a fully trained and functional border patrol. They are capable of handling this situation. This caravan is comprised of families--mothers & children--seeking relief from fear, violence and threat of death in their homelands. They deserve and have a legal right to request asylum, and legally, we have the legal obligation to seriously consider granting it. If a few cross into the country illegally, round them up and ship them back to Mexico. There's no need for violence. And, immigration has never been a real danger to us, and isn't now. Yes, we need to control it, and we need to deport new illegals, but utilize the tools already in place to accomplish that, and let them have the time & means to do it--and trust them that they will. It's their job, and they take that job seriously.

 

This hysteria is NOT warranted on this issue. This "caravan" is not a threat to us in any capacity. Trust the border patrol to deal with it when & if it arrives. Stop getting caught up in your own nightmare.

 

Your relentless efforts to divide us reflects poorly on you and your politics. You're doing nothing to help this nation by hurling blame. Why don't you consider becoming part of the solution rather than being part of the problem? This country needs unifying. Help that happen, and become a real patriot.

 

Wow. If it were a citizen doing the exact same, would you write it off as the invisible hand of the free market?

 

Constitution of the United States of America

Article VI

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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Do any of our resident Reich-wing 'patriots' know what this means?

Anyone?



Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees Article 31

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized or they obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain admission into another country.

This is from a US signed and ratified treaty, which according to Article 6 of the Constitution has been the law of the land since 1967. It clearly states refugees are NOT illegal aliens. Orange Foolius is currently breaking the law. Anyone who denies this is a fool, or is trying to push revisionist history to fellate a twisted and fear-driven ideology.

Cult45ers - once again you're wrong. Wrong on the facts, wrong on the law, and on the wrong side of history.

 

4. Make e-verify mandatory, and fix it.
5. Make it a mandatory felony with a minimum of one year in prison for a first offense to hire an illegal. Five years for a second, and ten for a third. No plea deals. No parole.
6. No guest worker programs or visas until every single American citizen 16 or older who wants a job has one.
7. No DLs for illegals.
8. No purchasing or renting property for illegals. Same penalties for landlords as for employers in point 5. Any properties inadvertently sold to illegals are to be forfeited to the State and sold at auction, with no proceeds going to the illegal.
9. Require proof of citizenship to register to vote, ID to vote in person, and fingerprint verification to vote absentee. After the biannual Congressional elections are concluded, void all registrations and require those interested to reregister. Cross reference death records with voter registrations 2 weeks before the next election, and invalidate any deceased persons registrations.

I could probably come up with more but that should be sufficient to make 98% of the problem go away on it's own.

 

Grow a brain and get back to me would you? I think I made a perfectly good argument of how illegals are taking jobs American's want but apparently you just want to ignore facts, double down and backstab your countrymen, all for lawbreaking parasites that have no business being here. Typical liberal backstabbing hogwash.

 

But the insinuation that it's ONLY illegals - or even majority illegals - working 'under the table,' not paying taxes and undercutting honest businesses was loud and clear. I challenge you to prove it.

Can't do it, can you?

 

Instant fix.

 

Sorry if the truth hurts!

Truth is, if people are to fix problems, they have to first acknowledge they exist. And liberals might start by eliminating the need to throw out labels otherwise referred to as identity politics ...stop already with the racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, trannyphobe, misogynist, and all other phobes.

Next stop with the double standards and demand democratic leaders be held to the same laws and set of standards they expect from conservatives. As it is democrats can commit any number of felonies without facing penalty. They're completely above the law and untouchable. Not so for conservatives who are being dragged off to jail as we speak for FAR LESS.

So my point is, we Americans of both parties should demand our political leaders are treated EQUALLY on both sides and ALL be indicted for the same crimes that we lowly peons are.

Until the democrats stop obstructing Trump and let him build his wall, and allow common sense immigration reform. Help him stop the constant flow of caravans of people with serious diseases, gangs, drugs, coming in through the southern border by those who have no business being here that haven't been properly vetted and entered legally.

So I say again, the democrats bring nothing good to the table. And they're not going to change. It will only get worse as more and more progressives join leaning the party even more to the left. If not voted out soon, the country will be gone.
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Are you Russian? Supposedly Russians are in these political forums screwing with people and sowing discord. You must be...no way your inane comments are legit.

 

Native-born Texan and registered member of the Sons of the American Revolution here. I piss on poser patriots and three percenter wannabes.

Can't help but notice you dodged the question, though. True to form for Cult45ers...

 

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