Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronald0, Jun 21, 2013.
Unless you post your country, you have little credibility to condemn others.
Besides that a couple of the examples offered are on some seriously shaky ground
Our federal Congress is only delegated the social Power to Tax, to Pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.
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Why does the Right keep insisting that any Thing and every Thing is included?
Regardless of what country I belong to (I am a US citizen though) I have never supported, defended or spoken in favour of any of these acts so at least on that front I am not to blame. My beef is with people who continue to support and defend these heinous acts.
I assume you mean Afghanistan mostly. I agree. We attacked them because their leaders were protecting a know terrorists who admitted to masterminding the attacks on 9/11. That was a justified war.
You are not to blame for what? All wars are heinous acts. What's your point here?
I think smug-cocky countries will destroy themselves : )))))) countries who thinks themselves strong ....
and anyone who supports its actions is just as guilty. (Ronald0)
United Nations (of tyrants too)
That depends upon what you consider the definition of nation.
We are a Nation because we the people are trustworthy peoples and vote and can replace great leaders.
None of those entities listed in the first post are nations with any innocence greater than ours.
By your own logic one murder by one of their dictators equals the right of us to kill all the citizens of their so-called nation because they are all equally just as guilty of that murder should they refuse to remove support for that Great Leader.
So I tell you what you do, get out of our nation, enfranchise those other so-called nations and we will consider their innocence can exist and they are trustworthy, otherwise they are not trustworthy and deserve no more respect or right to life than their murderous leaders.
Correct. Also the US acted in Korea after a Chinese sponsored invasion occurred from the north. Libya - I am not even sure why that is on the list.
Iraq and Vietnam, I think would qualify under the conditions created by the OP. But every nation great and small has made miss steps. In both cases however a reasonable percentage of Americans where aware something was wrong
The Korean War made sense. Say what you will about the others, but that was actually a valid intervention.
I believe the domino fallacy was merely due to a lack of Faith in Capitalism by US leadership at the time.
Not really, the US leadership was fed a line of bullcrap about the formation of a pan Asian communist state, the fact this information came from a pro US government in the region added weight to the conclusion
42, the answer to all things. Just don't ask after 23, because the answer will again be 42 and the time clock will start over agian.
All of the wars and "police actions" the U.S. has engaged in since WW I have been for the purpose of moving us toward world government.
To that end, it is necessary to break down nationalist will and sentiment (patriotism); to weaken and ultimately destroy our sovreignty; to set precedent for the President to act unilaterally; to set precedent for U.S. troops to serve under foreign commanders; to assist our enemies in every way possible; to bankrupt our treasury; and to psychologically wear down the American citizenry to break their resistance to the goals of the Establishment.
Many books have been written on this subject - it's not a secret. The details don't appear in any government school text books - for obvious reasons. The anti-war movement was used beautifully to divide the American people and attack the foundations of our country. As one communist general said in an interview I have on video tape - "... losing military battles never mattered, we were winning the war on the psychological fronts in the newpapers and college campuses of America."
And of course it goes much deeper than that... once you begin to peel back the layers of deception and perception of what the leftists within our government were doing, who was funding them, what their goals were - once you do that, the "nonsensical wars" begin to make perfect sense. Going back to Edward Mandell House, Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White, the Dulles brothers, General George Marshall, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Alger Hiss, Senator Howard Metzenbaum (a CP lawyer), on and on... the list of communists and other traitors within our government is endless - and still is.
America is moving toward collapse - that is not an accident. The debt is not an accident; our disasterous foreign policy is not an accident; the misinformation being taught to America's children is not an accident.
We're almost at the end of the process - I think the math suggests that we're within a 15 year window now. In just 4 years, our national debt will be over $23 trillion; Medicare is insolvent by over $100 trillion; SS $20 trillion; prescription drug "benefit", $26 trillion; and that before you pile the mess that is Obamacare on top of it all.
That is one ugly looking future - yet most Americans don't know, don't care, and don't care to know. They deserve what is coming their way - but posterity doesn't deserve it, and those of us who have tried to warn our fellow Americans, and have worked to try and stop it don't deserve to suffer for our neighbors ignorance, and irresponsible indifference.
Where o' where have all the nice politicians of morals gone in modern times?
According to the scum that claim 9/11 was real and not staged. Making me crack up with this Islamic terrorism garbage, bro. Its all so fake, and so Inner Party.
would we even have a War on Drugs if it required wartime tax rates?
nope we attacked them because the brits wanted their oil line and the taliban gave them the big FU
Afghanastan never had any treaties with the US that required them to extrdite obl and they actually went much father then any other nation when they asked to see the evidence the US had against him.
Of course even the fbi said they had NONE.
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yeh but you still see a few stooges try to defend it LOL
Why not hold our federal Congress accountable to a Standard fixed by Them, concerning war powers.
Korea and vietnam were not justified because they posed no threat to america. And Vietnam was illegal because South Vietnam never asked for our help. In fact, many of the Viet Cong were southerners who saw America as an invading army and joined the north to stop us.
Some of it was, but some of it was well-founded. Eastern Europe fit this idea well.
Considering our interests in Japan, having a fully Communist Korean peninsula would have been detrimental to our influence there.
Had we never gotten involved in Korea, the whole area would be like North Korea is today. South Korea clearly benefited from our influence, since it has become one of the world's best places to live.
Sure and I definitely don't consider the Korean War as a conflict that meets the OPs argument. The US were neither there on their own, nor perusing a specific aim of US policy. The actions of the allied nations was under UN resolution 84, that was passed after the Soviets managed to shoot themselves in both feet with one bullet
I believe we should be goading less developed nation-States into becoming socialist enough to establish a dole system to pay their citizens to be couch potatoes so they won't feel any need to come over and make us look bad with a less developed, work ethic.
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