How Many people, at a Minimum, would it take to carry 9/11 Inside job?

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  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Due to a slow Internet connection I can't quote the poster who responded to me because of all the imbedded videos. To answer the riechstag they have found proof that it was started by the nazis.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ns-find-proof-that-Nazis-burnt-Reichstag.html

    As to me switching conspirator to whistleblower aren't they one in the same? A whistleblower would be someone in the know and exposing it.
     
  2. Taxonomy26

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    Getting back TO the point..
    The Reichstag Fire is not analogous, or rather it Is, and it's a demo of the Dramatic difference between the two.
    A fire only requires a few leaders and a few men. A one location Arson attack.
    An Active inside Job of 9/11/MIHOP (4 Crash sites, 'bldg 7', demolition, No planes/executions, Fake Arabs, witnesses, News cam, etc, etc) requires Thousands for the purposes I elaborated in the OP.
    So despite all the disingenuous diversions, 9/11 remains an impossible plot.
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  3. l4zarus

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    In the same vein, I'm certain you read the post about this being a public forum and if you only want to talk with people who agree with you, you should start a private, invite only group/forum/website.

    Also, posting in bad faith, with no intention of engaging in discussion, is not what forums are for.
     
  4. l4zarus

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    Okay, good link. I'll read more, but the article is dated from 2001. I suspect there better recent information, or wikipedia would not be calling it a controversy.

    No they are not. A whistleblower knows something, but may not be involved. A conspirator is actually involved in the crime.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower

    "A whistleblower (also whistle-blower or whistle blower)[1] is a person who exposes any kind of information or activity that is deemed illegal, unethical, or not correct within an organization that is either private or public"

    conspirator: a person who takes part in a conspiracy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(criminal)

    In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future.

    As you can see, it is possible for a whistleblower to be a conspirator, but not necessary. That is why my question specified conspirator, as you said conspirator in your statement:

    "And I would beg to differ about no conspirator speaking up. Theres been quite a few. "

    There have been exactly zero people in the US government speaking up claiming to have been in one the plot to murder or allow to be murdered 3,000 people on 9/11.

    If you truly did not know the difference, then maybe your critical thinking skills need work.
     
  5. Scott

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    I've never heard him talk about it but I just assumed he believed there were no hijackers as the proof that the US government planned and carried out the attacks is conclusive.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060

    I've only heard him talk about the nature of the way the towers fell.
     
  6. Bob0627

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    The question of whether there were or weren't hijackers is far down the list of concerns. What we do know for a fact is that fires, planes, damage or a combination did not globally destroy 3 massive towers in seconds just like a perfectly planned and executed controlled demolition. That's just not physically/scientifically/logically possible. If the OCT deception says that's what happened and of course we know it's not true then everything about the OCT is up for question, including the alleged hijackers. To believe the OCT is to believe that hundreds (thousands?) of miracles happened all on the same day. Even NIST claims WTC7 was a miracle ("for the first time in history ..." - Shyam Sunder). Here are some of the miracles the OCT wants you to believe happened as a result of the twin tower "collapses".

    [video=youtube;QnnXTrw88P4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnnXTrw88P4&feature=youtu.be[/video]

    [video=youtube;JjyQk941tXQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjyQk941tXQ&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    How many do you suppose knowingly and willingly participated in nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    In case you didn't know it, there is a very strong "dark side" to the human condition.
     
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    It wasn't a conspiracy ... nuff said ...
     
  9. Shinebox

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    I'm guessing (without even watching the truther vids posted), that the supposed hijackers were just passengers ... all the planes landed in Dover, right? ...
     
  10. Bob0627

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    Always validating what I posted about posters such as yourself. They're not "truther vids" (whatever that's supposed to be), they're 9/11 reality documented on video comprised of clips from several different mainstream and other sources and have nothing to do with any alleged hijackers. And this is just one reason why a legitimate discussion with posters such as yourself is a waste of time. You're not even commenting on the content of either video, just the post and the demons in your head ("truther", "twoofer", etc.).
     
  11. Taxonomy26

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    Huh?
    We know all the details of Nuking Japan. No one denies how many (ot little) it took.
    but YOU are denying/UNABLE to answer how many it took for the 9/11 'Inside Job.'
    In fact, your post is so IQ-challenged, one doesn't even know what you are suggesting: did it tale alot, or few? (Manhattan Project Included)

    Because 4 simultaneous Crash sites, Fake News cams, Airline, Air Traffic Control, Demolition crews, actors, fake witnesses, take a few thousand, at least.. and NONE said 'no' came came forward before or after.
    STILL Not one of the Konspiwacy Klowns has even ventured a number for an active MIHOP plot, nor even a rational one on LIHOP.
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  12. Scott

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    I keep pointing out that the press is owned and that it wouldn't report it if someone tried to come forward and you people just keep on talking as if that weren't the case.

    I posted this somewhere so that I could link to it when needed but I can't find it or any of the links so here it is again.

    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5rdRlOSBoY
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html
     
  13. Bob0627

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    If you're trying to convince them of anything about 9/11, it's an exercise in futility. To believe the OCT is to believe the US government is honest for the most part and that the MSM is unbiased about 9/11. Here are two guys who should both be headline news if the MSM was for real:

    [video=youtube;nQrpLp-X0ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/video]

    [video=youtube;Mf1ewgbq4fY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf1ewgbq4fY[/video]
     
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    Thanks, Scott, for that confirmation. Personally, I think you should do more to confirm Richard Gage's ideas on whether or not there were hijackers than just assume he believes there were no hijackers. If it's that important, Gage could be invited to make a statement, right?

    For instance, you could invite him to the forum to explain his theories and views on the 9/11 attacks.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=481633

    Here's you chance to get an expert here to explain why we're all wrong. And, since truthers around here are firmly convinced the media is either in on it or suppressing Gage, you'll agree he'd leap at the chance to engage a new audience.

    Let us know when he's coming.
     
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    This String is Not about "believing OCT" precisely or Imprecisely.
    It's about believing YOUR theory - which is Numerically impossible - and which you CANNOT even put a minimal number on.
    Ergo, nothing but Deflection and wacky youtubes from you and Scott.
    Due to your Inability TO answer, you were forced to turn to denialism: 'unwillingness.' LOL
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  16. Bob0627

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    I wasn't responding to you, but.

    Sure it is, it's about both or either. You wouldn't have asked such a hypothetical question if there wasn't a belief that 9/11 was an inside job.

    No it isn't, it's about YOUR theory (you started the thread based on YOUR theory, not me) which the answer is not only numerically possible but quite valid.

    But I already did, did you miss it? No you didn't, because you responded to it. The answer to your hypothetical question is still hypothetically 3 and I stand by it. But anyway, like I said, I'm not interested in your hogwash, I was responding to another poster.
     
  17. Taxonomy26

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    I know.
    THAT is my point.
    You CANNOT respond to me.


    Dizzying!
    Going buy post count and Tens of thousands on many boards, your a Mihop guy.
    so YOU need to answer with a/THAT Number. (or drop it)
    You STILL can't.



    It's a Fact, not theory, that MIHOP would take a cast of Thousands. You will NOT even answer this because you HAVE no rebuttal nor differing number.
    Again, that was THEE string question.



    And 3 is only for LIHOP, in which case you have to DISavow Thousands/The MAJORITY of your posts/string starts, which entail MY point.
    My string was obviously for an Active Mihop and I elaborated the cast and their jobs.

    So you Disingenuously had to go for the obviously Unintended LIHOP.
    Otherwise you are stuck with MY minimal number.
    and of course '3' is ridiculous, since those 3 would have needed the intelligence services to have put it all together, and then to ask others to stand down.

    Reiterate: bob0637 wil Not/NEVER post a MIHOP number that was clearly intended by the OP

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  18. Bob0627

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    Last response to YOU on this subject.

    1. Next time you start a thread, learn the subject matter BEFORE you start it. It's apparent you have no clue what an inside job is and that's evident by all your posts on this subject.
    2. LIHOP is an inside job by every English language definition of an inside job. When one who is an insider lets it happen, one is trying to help make it happen and is therefore an integral part of the gang that are making it happen. In law it's called CRIMINAL COMPLICITY. The probability that it would happen when one is in a position to prevent it from happening but intentionally does not, increases dramatically and therefore, one could say LIHOP is a subset of MIHOP. The converse is also true.
    3. 3 is the hypothetical answer to the MINIMUM number of people it would take for the 9/11 inside job (YOUR 2 words, not mine) no matter how much YOU want to rant. If you meant a different question, you should have worded YOUR question differently.

    [/END OF DISCUSSION] (on my part)
     
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    NOTE Bob0627 Disingenuously only quotes the the small portion on LIHOP, and even then Only partially.
    So again, for openers, ALL his other thousands (and majority) of posts on MIHOP,
    ie, http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html
    ...CANNOT be justified/Are RUINED by my OP which asks about MIHOP in No uncertain terms (Bldg 7, demolition, actors, Airline, etc.)

    He CANNOT/Will NEVER answer, so Dishonestly just drops the rest of my post as "not worth it", when in fact, it really Ruins his whole life on line. His wasted decade that was Porked by my single sentence in the OP.
    Many Years and Tens of thousands of posts, Toast.
    Then he goes on to lie about the Minor (and clearly NOT intended by my OP) LIHOP as only '3,' when much more were needed even for that much smaller plot, to have gleaned the it, and then instructed others to stand down.
    The MIHOP OP still untouched.

    So again, before any more of your MIHOP posts (Bldg 7, demolition, falling rates, etc etc) I expect a Number for MIHOP.
    NEVER happen.
    You can't do it because as anyone can figure out, there is nothing LESS likely than such a huge but silent conspiracy.
    Sorry guy, you can't skate with/from me.
    (so it will NECESSARILY be back to denial/Silence/"Last answer" (really "NO answer") for Bob)
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    As I've said before, unless one happens to have been involved in the planning or execution of the false flag, it would be impossible to know how many people were required. But it is obvious that while there were higher-ups in the planning and execution, there were also uninformed pawns involved. An example of the pawns were those at NEADS and FAA who were mildly confused about whether it was "exercise" or "real world".

    The exercise they referred to was, of course, Vigilant Guardian being conducted at that time. Those pawns were critical in the successful implementation of the plan, but completely ignorant of it.

    So we can guess and speculate, but we can't really know unless we were involved. I was not.
     
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    Speaking only for myself, Richard Gage has done a tremendous service to his country, but has for the most part outlived his usefulness. The cat has been out of the bag for many years.

    I've passed along Gage's materials to many including a local librarian, and each person has responded pretty much the same way--"I've always been suspicious about how those buildings came down since I watched it on TV, and now I understand why", or words to that effect.

    I admire and respect Gage, but I am an independent thinker, and there are others too. He helped explain the deficiencies of the NIST report, and what really happened there that day, but it's time to move on. I moved on years ago.

    Any person who does not understand the truth of the deception of 911 simply DOES NOT WANT to understand what happened. It's called being in denial.
     
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    The author of this thread wants a exact number and criticizes every answer that doesn't match his question using his own invented definition (that changes as he sees fit). Poor fakery and utter nonsense of a thread and a waste of time.
     
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    No, he has, not. Gage is a conman. Tax records show his "non profit" is his sole source of income, and it's strongly suspected he finds the conspiracy website 911blogger.com even though they beg for dollars, claiming the get no foundational funding. His "activism" is all based on the fraudulent Bentham paper, published by a vanity press, with a disgraced scientist(Steven Jones), who works closely with an Anti Semite(Bollyn). Under no circumstances does this describe a legitimate operation of any kind.

    It's very hard to believe you can't see this. Other 'truthers' here have shown signs of being lost in conspiracy culture for decades, but you seem otherwise rational so I'm wondering if you're debating in good faith. Your posts in other threads implying Jews are behind the 9/11 attacks doesn't help.

    Much like your in denial the "truth" movement, for all practical purposes, is dead.
     
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    So the Demolition experts who Wired the THREE WTC buildings thought their purpose Benign were mere "pawns"?
    And still did so AFTER the fact?
    Oh My!

    What about the people who made the Fake Crash site in PA?
    Still Benign after the Fact?
    Oh My!

    Airline employees (Pilots, Security Boarding Tapes), and Air Traffic Controllers (in Many overlapping geographic Jurisdictions) who Lied at the moment of execution and that there WERE flights?
    Didn't know while in progress or After?

    The cooperating Arabs who for a YEAR were in the country and in Flight Schools? All the witnesses to that lying.. even AFTER the fact?
    No Problem with thousands of dead countrymen?

    The Witnesses to the actual (ie, Pentagon) crashes? Didn't know? All during or after the fact.

    The "actors" who called family members didn't know? After the fact?
    The Family members didn't catch on that they were actors? Intimate last-word conversations were faked?

    The Executioners of the Passengers and Crew in 4 [other unknown] locations didn't know?

    Those who shot a Missile at the Pentagon (since the hole was too small for a plane) didn't know they were killing scores of fellow/other military leaders?
    Those who planted the Aircraft Debris there AFTER the fact, also didn't know?

    and ON and ON it goes.
    Many Thousands.
    ALL your silly MIHOP technicalities REQUIRE ALL these other things.

    IOW, it was an IMPOSSIBLY Large and Complex plot.
    A Cast of Thousands Lying before, during and after, and All willing to kill thousands.



    Lying again?!?
    I said UNmistakably "AT A MINIMUM" in the Title line and many times after.
    (see my answer to Eleuthra just above in this post for the kind of thing I asked for, and then answered above)
    In fact, YOU CANNOT answer my last (or many others) so just 'Disingenuously' hop on to Third party posts to AVOID making those answers and twisting the UNmistakable Mihop elaborated in the OP, into Lihop. And even the latter takes a hell of alot more than "3".
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    What a silly conspiracy theory it is. One of the silliest I've ever heard.
     

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