How Ron Paul Wins the Nomination: A break-down of delegates and a brokered convention

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  1. jaktober

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    Yes, we were very hopeful thinking we'd win some Primaries out right. Iowa was close (we were about 4% behind the "tied" 1st/2nd, and were leading in Polls going in). We got 2nd in New Hampshire. Maine was very close, and not to jump on the "fraud" theory, but a lot of shady stuff went down in Maine, no one can deny that.

    I really think Maine broke a lot of momentum amongst the Republican primary voting population. If Paul would have won Maine many of these contests going forward would have been different.

    With that said (can't change the past), moving forward we are doing very well in the non-publicized precinct and county conventions in the caucus states. After the State conventions we will know how many states Paul won (or didn't win).

    The only popular vote he has won outright was the Virgin Islands. He won one of the islands in Hawaii (and may have won a second, but the results have not been updated).

    I think if Paul is able to win a state convention in a caucus state before the Primaries are over it may give him a boost going into the convention.

    As far as his legislative success, his Presidential success is not reliant on his ability to get Congress behind him. As President he can withdrawal our troops from overseas and veto any excessive spending. He submits a budget to Congress and can veto it when it comes back if it is no where close to how he presented it. If Congress can consistently united 2/3rds against his veto it will be a historic event.

    As well, he can clean up a lot of old executive orders.

    The President is not a legislature. He is an executive, and is given a few powers that require no approval from Congress. He can end the wars, and that is the key position that brought me to support him.
     
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    My opinion is that your opinion is in total conflict with the facts. But as I have said before, most Paulobots are loony liberals that ALWAYS were going to vote for the incompetent clown fool obama. Even if Paul was the Republican nominee, you'd still vote for the worst president in the history of the country, b.o.
     
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    Go to Vegas, bet the farm on Paul if you are so inclined. I'll bet Romney, who do you think will win realistically? I cannot even stand the SOB but I know he will win.
     
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    I only gabble when it is required to make the game fun. So far, this election has been pretty fun for me.

    Now, if you want to meet me in Vegas to play some Craps (they don't have it at the Indian Casinos in California for some reason) then you got a deal!

    However, if I was going to bet, of course I'd bet on Ron Paul, Romney's odds are too good to make a decent profit, not worth risking the money, now since Ron Paul is a long shot, if you win you'll come up big. Throw a dollar down and you might actually get it back in Silver!
     
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    when i asked, you didn't want to bet that he'd win the nomination
     
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    Ron Paul can do now is to absorb some abuse (i.e. take one for the Republican team) so that the 1 billion dollars of media insults will be distributed to someone other than Mitt Romney. A reasonable goal. Tell Ron I know a good dominatrix if he isn't humiliated enough.
     
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    'Anyone can speak Troll,' said Fred dismissively, 'all you have to do is point and grunt.' - J.K. Rowling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

    In Old Norse sources, beings described as trolls dwell in isolated rocks, mountains, or caves, live together in small family units, and are rarely helpful to human beings.
     
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    why doesn't it surprise me that you cite mythology in an attempt to ward off valid criticism of ron paul?
     
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    This is a valid criticism?

    "Ron Paul can do now is to absorb some abuse (i.e. take one for the Republican team) so that the 1 billion dollars of media insults will be distributed to someone other than Mitt Romney. A reasonable goal. Tell Ron I know a good dominatrix if he isn't humiliated enough."

    How is that valid?
     
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    why don't you ask the person that wrote it, then read one of my critiques?


    for example:


    hijacking isn't legal, a hijacking is when one or a few men seize control of a vehicle full of people and take them to a place they don't want to go

    in this case the hijackers are a small minority of ron paul supports and the vehicle is the primary election process

    elections are a process whereby the winner is determined by a majority of votes, more or less

    no matter how many times ron paulogist claim they're following the rules, it flies in the face of justice, people instinctively know that hijacking is wrong

    the gop leadership won't allow their party to be hijacked by a few radical lunatics and ron paul won't be nominated by the gop


    hijack

    illegally seize (an aircraft, ship, or vehicle) in transit and force it to go to a different destination or use it for one's own purposes: three armed men hijacked a white van

    • steal (goods) by seizing them in transit.

    • take over (something) and use it for a different purpose: the organization had been hijacked by extremists.


    vehicle

    1 a thing used for transporting people or goods, esp. on land, such as a car, truck, or cart.

    2 a thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something: I use paint as a vehicle for my ideas.

    • the figurative language used in a metaphor, as distinct from the metaphor's subject.
     
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    Quotes often refer to a lack of confidence in a word/term.

    "hijack" would infer that the commenter does not believe that the use of the word is valid, but instead that it is rhetoric.

    You "hijacked" the convention = You say the convention was "hijacked" but in fact those you accuse of hijacking it were actually following the rules and were better at "the game."

    Another example: someone losing a game often accuses their opponent of "cheating."

    Response: I "cheated" by being better at the game than you.

    The person is not admitting to cheating, but instead, is pointing out that you have used the word incorrectly, or rhetorically.
     
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    Can we get back to the fact that Paul is not going to be on the ballot due getting his old ass beat into the dirt in every state?
     
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    so funny, lots of these guys are still angry over reality, ron paul lost miserably, three times
     

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