How to deal with NK artillery?

this is not new, radar can detect artillery shells, China/russia/israel pretty much every one has this ability, then estimate position of artillery base on ballistic trajectory. but destroy all these artillery within a week is not reasonable.

 

Yeah, I was afraid of that, and again, NK won't expose all their guns the first week anyway.

 

I think you're being too hard. He's calling out the worst regime on the planet, with justification, and I say good for him. No I didn't vote for him.

 

the problem i see in him, is he talk too much on tweeter and call on NK by saying crap like "fire, brimstone etc" while state department try to solve it via diplomacy(try to get NK back to table), its counter productive. We all know we have the ability to crush NK in a week, we know it, NK know it, everyones knows it, no point to bring us down to the level of NK using similar childish words. feel like two kids spitting at each other, its not what POTUS should be. Be a leader of superpower, not some reality show talk host.

 

If NK opened up on Seoul with tens of thousands of artillery shells, what difference would that be if they were to drop one nuke on Seoul?

Not much, in my opinion. Either attack would reduce Seoul to ashes and cause an immense number of casualties. I would regard an attack like that as tantamount to a nuclear attack. Therefore ...

If NK were to do that, I would respond in kind, only not with artillery shells. I would let NK know that any such attack on a major civilian target such as Seoul would trigger a massive attack on NK using all assets in our arsenal. All assets. The objective would be to dissuade NK from carrying out such an attack, but if they did, to render NK incapable of further attack upon Seoul - not in weeks or months, but in about an hour.

 

Nuking a city like Nagasaki is perfectly within the norm of the US. If the US attacks NK, than they got every right to protect themselves and counter it. Enter the destruction of Seoul. And if the US than resorts to go nuclear on NK, than China said they will enter that war. First thing they undoubtedly do, is blowing that sitting duck of the US navy out of the water. That would end the war really really fast.

 

Very very very difficult to hit a moving ship with ballistic missile armed with a nuke or even get close enough to kill it. They have nothing else to counter the USN. NADA.

 

How long did the Iraq war last?

Mind you. Iraq is rather flat and mostly a desert. NK got a million people in it's army, with I think it was 3 million in it's reserve. A heck of a lot bigger than Iraq. And their country is mountainous and at a minimum covered by forests for 50%.

What will be gone in a week is Seoul, and even the possibility they nuked Washington DC.

 

China "probably" has a bit more than just a ballistic missile. And a ship is not a fast moving target. An other missile is.

 

Their missiles don't have the range and it's a very very long way to carry a fission weapon. But now you're changing the narrative. First you said the Navy. Now DC. What is it?

 

Now it's the Chinese? A ship moving at 21 knots will cover 300 meters every minute. Even if you have immediate targeting data, you have to carry a large enough warhead to kill a ship and it has to be accurate enough to get close. Noko is using fission weapons and tests using fusion weapons on old US and Japanese warships didn't show that much damage.

 

If the US would go nuclear on NK,... than NK can go nuclear on DC. China said they would defend NK if the US would go be like that,... and they can blow that sicking duck of a navy clear out of the water. How quick would this war be over with no US navy? At that point we're not talking days anymore. More like a couple of hours. The US knows this.

 

The Chinese do not have an effective blue water navy and no easy to get to the US fleet. They'd be hard pressed against Taiwan and the Japanese navy is highly effective. Tell me how this works.

 

If the US attacks NK's nuclear assets, this will be our decision, and NK may retaliate against the US. It has no right, however, to attack a major civilian target like Seoul.

If the US quickly ends NK's ability to continue an attack upon Seoul, the war will be over before the Chinese can do anything. There will be no war for them to enter.

 

Why would the Chinamen want to? They're a potentially unstable country. If they enter a war the Himalaya region becomes unstable. The same for southern China and the area bordering Indo-China whose people truly don't like the Chinese. Then they are the Japanese who in the even of a major war just might seek to re-aquire Chinese Manchuria.

 

They don't need a navy to shoot the US navy in front of the NK coast.

 

Well I don't know about all that, but I don't think the Chinese are very enamored with little Kim. I don't think they really care if the US does something about Kim's nuclear program, as long as we don't try to reunify the two Koreas. I think the Chinese would fight to prevent reunification from happening, but I don't think they will fight on NK's behalf otherwise.

 

OK, now the NOKO or the Chinamen don't need a navy. Do they have a genie in a bottle? Look at the map and tell me how this works. With airpower, you'd fly into the teeth of ground based aircraft. You'd need targeting for cruise missiles and they're vulnerable to being shot down. The USN has had years of experience dealing with missile swarms. Tell me how this works besides wishful thinking?

 

The the Chinamen need to get rid of the goofy little fat boy and put their own guy in place.

 

You got the US army all over South Korea, to even at the border of North Korea. So it doesn't sound true one bit that North Korea may not retaliate against South Korea. Besides, Nagasaki got nuked by the US. A civilian target. And Seoul with all it's governmental agencies as no doubt also plenty of military headquarters... dunno why NK may not do what the US did and still is perfectly fine with that they did it.

Not even the war against Iraq, which had a real smal army, in a flat desert like environment, lasted real quick. The North Korean army is utterly and utterly massive, in a mostly forest and mountainous environment.

 

Agree. Now that would be what a leading world nation should do if they regard themselves as such.

 

What? The Iraqi army was huge. Ever been to Korea? It's full of chokepoints. You can try to flank over the hills, but it becomes a light infantry fight when you move past your artillery support, which btw is mostly towed and vulnerable. It means after 3 days it's only what you can carry on your back. The NOKO's don't have a helicopter force worth mentioning so just how do they resupply?

 

There is no equivalence between the US nuclear attacks on Japan in WW2 and this situation we are facing today. Those attacks in WW2 were not "in retaliation". Those attacks were specifically made to end the war. After the first attack, the US asked for Japan's surrender. The second attack came after Japan's refusal to surrender. After the second attack, they surrendered. The two countries were already engaged in a long, bloody, full-scale war, and the attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima ended it, saving millions of lives of both Americans and Japanese.

By contrast, a devastating artillery attack upon a major civilian center like Seoul in response to a limited attack on NK's nuclear assets would be an escalation of war, not an end to it. The vast majority of casualties would serve no military purpose; they would just be mass murder for the sake of mass murder and revenge. I would expect the United States to put an end to that immediately, using the same moral authority it used to put an end to WW2 and using similar weapons to do it.

I would expect that US actions, if taken, would not really involve a long drawn out war against the NK army. I would expect the US would carry out a limited attack designed to end the nuclear threat to our country and others, and this attack would come from the air, not the ground. If NK attempted to invade the South with its army, I would expect the US to end NK's ability to fight overnight using the power we possess to do that. I would expect the US to explicitly warn NK of this outcome at the time.

 

Our ships will be operating far off the coast. So China wont have that chance. N Korea wont have a chance either.

 

What the U.S. Would Use to Strike North Korea.....

No other country can match the United States when it comes to projection of power. Should Washington decide to carry out a military strike against North Korea, even a limited one, the immediate impact would be devastating for Pyongyang. When considering military action, however, it is important to acknowledge the variables and intelligence gaps that inevitably complicate political and military decision-making. Even with the United States' advantage in training, coordination and equipment, complicating factors and uncertainty about the exact locations and dispositions of North Korean assets make complete mission success far from assured.

It is important to consider the parameters of any operation; in this case, we are basing our assumptions on a scenario in which the United States conducts a limited, stealthy attack using a small number of specialized platforms and weapons systems. The United States has enormous force projection and deep-strike capabilities. In a surprise attack scenario, the primary tools for the task would be stealth aircraft and standoff cruise missiles launched from ships and submarines.

The North Koreans have a dense and interlocked air defense network, but the force is obsolete and largely incapable of adequately defending against or even detecting full-spectrum stealth aircraft such as the U.S. B-2 bomber and F-22 tactical fighter. Because of their unique properties, these expensive, stealthy platforms would form the backbone of any anti-nuclear operations. Given enough time, the United States could assemble upward of 10 B-2 bombers for a deep-strike mission into North Korea. The shorter combat radius of the F-22 would limit the number of aircraft available for the task, necessitating the deployment of the fighter to regional airfields. This in turn could alert Pyongyang to upcoming offensive operations. Using airfields in Japan and South Korea and operating under a highly restrictive operational security environment, the U.S. Air Force could probably deploy 24 F-22 aircraft for the mission, remaining fairly confident that undue suspicions were not raised in the process.

Each F-22 can be equipped with two 450-kilogram (1,000 pounds) GBU-32 JDAM bombs. The F-22 can actually carry a larger number of small diameter bombs instead of the bigger GBU-32, but the nature of the mission calls for more explosive heft. Unlike the multipurpose F-22, the B-2 Spirit is a designated bomber and can carry a lot more explosive weight per plane. Each B-2 would deploy with either 16 900-kilogram GBU-31 JDAMs or a pair of massive 13,600-kilogram GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators to reach deep underground bunkers.

In addition to the guided bombs dropped by U.S. stealth aircraft, the United States can rely on large numbers of venerable BGM-109 Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles to fly in on the heels of the stealth aircraft and strike remaining targets. For the mission, the U.S. Navy (with enough time to prepare) can surreptitiously park two of its four Ohio-class cruise missile submarines off the North Korean coast. Together, these submarines can deploy more than 300 BGM-109 missiles. When combined with destroyers and cruisers from the 7th Fleet already in the area, the United States could use more than 600 cruise missiles for the mission......snip~

https://worldview.stratfor.com/analysis/what-us-would-use-strike-north-korea