How to deal with NK artillery?

Is there a reason why the US would not use its reconnaissance satellites with infrared and thermal imaging to locate North Korean artillery assets? The US already knows where the majority of artillery units are located.

That assumes Command & Control remains in tact after US air assets launch their attacks. The US, of course, will be jamming radio signals, which will degrade the ability of North Korean artillery to launch artillery attacks. North Korean gun crews are exposed and have no protection from bombing raids conducted by B-1Bs or B-52s.

While the photos posted are propaganda, they do show how North Korean artillery would need to mass in order to attempt to level Seoul. That's what is known as a "target rich environment."

I think you grotesquely over-estimate the capabilities of North Korean artillery.

 

It's not. Top of my head, less than 400K. NK got well over a million in the army, and 3 million in reserve. You might want to rethink what qualifies as huge.

They had an easy 60 years to prepare. Do note, they found tunnels of them going under the demilitarized zone between 200 and 500 ft deep. It's going to be Vietnam all over again, but much worse.

 

The way to deal with NK artillery is the way it was last year and the decade before.....don't tell them to use it.

 

Iron dome is designed for defense against short range rockets on land. It's reasonable effective for them. Not so much for artillery. It's not for anti-ship weapons. Hitting a ship at sea is a lot different from hitting a target on land.

 

We don't ....

We should not ever touch NK first, put our crazier and crazier sanctions on them and that is really all we should/could do

IF, they attack us, our allies or any territory and people die we should go all out. In which case their artillery will unfortunately kill a lot of people. But if he gets away with one attack he will continue to ratchet them up, if he kills, we need to go in .... hard.

But what is actually going to probably happen, is they are going to do "missile tests" closer and closer and more and more provocatively. Since Kim doesn't care about losing lives like the US does, he will push the envelope. This is where I think we should just hold back, puff out our chests and relax, as long as nothing is hit and no lives are lost just ignore him like the child he is. If he kills people, we have already seen that the world will back us acting accordingly, THAT is our only course of action at this point.

So I believe we continue to use the same rhetoric and use the incidents to ramp sanctions against NK up more and more to try to get him to back down. Eventually he will not be able to spout out that "The US is going to attack!" and hopefully the artillery is a moot point

 

Order of battle for Gulf War 1 was 650K men for the Iraqi's. What makes you think that anywhere near the amount you claim will be mission capable or effective?

 

I don't see any reason, but what you fought then was an army in full retreat, and what you are fighting here is an entire nation with nowhere else to go. Who are dug in. And staying.

They may route and run under shock an awe. Highly possible.
But also I more imagine Okinawa, fighting to the death than I do joyful surrender.
I just think they are fanatics. I really do. Or at least, enough of them are.

If Kim says "Jump" I say "How high". That's like my first nursery rhyme.
Brainwashed and happy to be so.

 

No, they can go north and did so all the way to the Yalu in 1950 after Mac flanked them. That's their problem here. Breach the DMZ or flank them and they can't resupply. Modern warfare uses lots of logistics and they can't move it very far or very fast.

 

I think there is two way outs for the population to flee, China. Russia.

Yanks and South Koreans are actually good old boys and girls. So the can surrender too and as you say the South.


Military wise. I concur. I like the sounds of that.
I don't think it's a mobile war. I'm highly uncertain about Kim ability to defend his own airspace with SAMS, but I'd put my money on the Yanks. Where there is a will there is a way and all that.
So I don;t think they'll want to get caught out in the open at all. it's tunnel systems at the DMZ, with 70 years of tunnelling so that's un-takable. But coastal landings are what they still fear.
Imagine cutting them off from the north. Blocking Rusisan and Chinese resupply.
This means moving faster than the Russia and and the Chinese by surprise. (my money is on Russia for that one by the way, those boys can shift).

So what's he got up North. I saw units on internets for the Russians at the border and it was light APC mounting light AA.
Fast movers but not heavies.
Can Kim have fortified every beach in 70 years, they must have wargamed for this a million times.
You land wherever he isn't, so where is he?

Lets have a google pic.


Random picture. lets start here.

 

look at all those airbases cowering from the China sea. Hahaha they are scared of USN. They really are. Lets start there. Maximum **** you up. So tempting.

China is a really long border, Russia isn't.
Sorry Russia.
So it's a race with Russia, winner gets some turf.
I'd like to start there because I like Russians, and we'll get to growl at each other and drink a lot.
I'd like to dodge the shipping traffic from Vladivostok, otherwise marine landing bit of an arse. So won't hurt to lose a little ground to the Russians. A nice sunny beach please, And some roads.

You can have the China border, because well, you love China so much. And I might actually want to get a passport there in the future one day for a job. So I don't want to mess that opportunity up. And it's bigger and I am lazy. And puny.
so on that map in my armchair invasion I want to start by taking Orang.
top right on the coast. Says "HQ".

I'm counting 35 airbases, and wondering what that = in Cruise missiles.
We'll fire off the handful we have at him if you like. 35X how many did they use on that Syrian one? 59. Google says 59.
Bugger me.
59x35= Bugger me.
We'll do one airbase, maybe. If we are lucky. You get the other 34.

And if I'm Mr Kim my first move is going to be take the whole country underground with me and become a race of Morlocks.

 

But the average American still is supportive of the use of a nuclear bomb on civilians. So no complaining when it's the other way around.

 

Yes, most of us have figured out your love of Kim Jung Un. Your "I don't think" seems to sum up your messages.

Your message is just a very bad attempt at PR for him. This isn't WW2. Saddam Hussein had lots of bunkers. Bunkers are not movable. We can know where the bunkers are by satellite before anything happens. Bunkers are death traps. a self-made grave.

Then there is your bizarre claim that N. Korean artillery has a range of hundreds of miles - (or your "I don't think" about the length of S. Korea) - his magic artillery according you to. In fact, N. Korean artillery can barely reach the northern suburbs of Seoul. That is just how desperate you are in your promoting Kim Jung Un as all powerful. Maybe you should boast he has catapults that can sling bombs all the way to New York City too, for how absurd your promoting Kim Jung Un is.

The issue isn't S. Korea. It is preventing China's surrogate Kim Jung Un becoming capable of killing over 100 million Americans and obliterating the USA. If S. Korea does not want us to defend them, fine, then not our problem what N. Korean does to them. This is about protecting the USA.

No, S. Koreans would not surrender to China and N. Korea. They know millions of S. Koreans would be slaughtered, millions tortured and imprisoned, S. Korea's and every person's wealth taken, and overall everyone thrown into starvation levels of poverty. BUT, if S. Koreans wanted to surrender, that is their choice. We certainly wouldn't beg to let us defend them.

As of now, N. Korea can do no damage to the USA. Before that changes, we need to do anything and everything to make certain that never changes. Even NK I,000,000 artillery pieces would poise no danger to us whatsoever. NK could have 10,000,000 troops - and it would poise no danger to the USA. On the other hand, there is no place in NK - above or below ground - that we can not destroy anytime we want to at virtually no risk to any American. There is no need to invade NK at all. It is a country already always on the edge of starvation and with no energy of food reserves.

We could eliminate all significant NK infrastructure, all fuel reserves, all power plants, all food reserves, all utilities, every one of the few industries and all communications in the first hour. Before the end of the first day, the tactic of the NK leadership and military could be defined in 3 words: "try to hide."

Japan has already said they can stop any NK missiles. If S. Korea does not want to defend itself despite their massive industrial and technical capabilities, then that is there problem. SKs problems are not our problem. The issue, to me, singularly is about defending the USA.

 

We can see the flashes from space of their artillery, which would have to be right at the border to even reach the northern suburbs of Seoul. Our artillery could not have to be at the border, would know within an inch of where NK artillery is after each fired its first round (those few we have not already located from space) and NK would have no clue where our artillery destroying their artillery is firing from lacking the same satellite intelligence capability.

His missiles can not carry bulky hydrogen bombs and no aircraft he has would make it more than a couple miles past the border, if that, so he had no way to use his few hydrogen bombs. Obliterating NK would be like stomping on scrambling cockroaches and eliminating ant mounds. It would be no contest.

Sure, Kim could send a million troops charging across mine fields, those making then mowed down like mowing the grass if he just wanted to get his troops slaughtered.

There would be no reason whatsoever to invade N. Korea. Quickly, NK would have no fuel, no electricity, no power plants, no communications, no industry, no bridges, no railways, no government buildings, no airports, no military bases and no food.

China said it would come to NK's defense. That's great. We'd invite them to flood into NK and take it over if they want. It's China's slave labor province anyway. We have NO reason to invade N. Korea whatsoever.

 

Japan certainly did say that. And it has been on their minds politically, they had a buy a bunker craze and they are taking it all seriously there I think. Hopefully they want buy some shiny new stuff. Expect our shiniest in your harbours soon.
Everybody says they can do stuff. I'm sure they will try. I'll go that far.
If they wish to break your Japanese alliance, Japan maybe come a target for SCUDs or the like. Although Saddam is bad role model. He died.

Thank you for you correction on artillery ranges, I don't remember saying that but I do crap on a lot. So if you say.
Arty range? I don't know, erm What's the range of a katuysha 10 miles? 10 km? What's a 155 mm range. Again he'll have some Ruskie Calibres. The full spectrum I suppose some inbetween that. And he's got long range artillery. Big missile stuff. He's got SCUD, that's got some range on it. Might have some long range AA rockets. What about Silkworms? They must still exist?

 

Back of a Daewoo.
Or a Hyundai.

Row boat.
Mini submarine.

A donkey.

Federal Express.

Physically throw it at them like Putin himself. Mr Kim, topless, throwing nukes. I dare you to imagine that.

 

That very well may be so. But in the end, a ship is not a fast moving target one bit. And an aircraft carrier has a heck of a lot of surface to hit and is absolutely not a fast.

 

Carriers are actually very fast, as fast as their escorts if not more so. You keep moving all over the place. Do you have any idea of what you're talking about? Ever serve in the military? The projection of naval firepower is that of distance and accuracy. Tactics and strategy are also different. In naval warfare, unlike land warfare there is usually no reserve to call upon and there are precious few areas to hide. Kamikaze hit rate was only 11% against all ships and far less against the carriers. And that was with a guy behind the stick. The Falklands war didn't bode well for aircraft getting in close and that with relatively puny AA and poor anti-ship defense.

 

Compared to a jet fighter... an aircraft carrier is slow as a slug and got a massive surface to hit. I don't know why you fail so hard to not understand this.

 

Which is meaningless. Are we talking jet kamikazes now?

 

If you can design a missile to hit a rather agile fighter jet, than it does mean designing a missile to hit a massive object that moves far and far slower, seems exponentially easier to solve. I really don't know how you can fail so hard to not see this.

 

The only situation where you can effectively counter-arty enemy artillery is if he's a total noob and doesn't move his guns after firing. Another way would be sneaking a recon in the base... but once again that requires the opponent to be a complete noob that allows it to happen so it can't be counted as an effective tactic. The arty spam is game breaking, something should be done. Read more about Kids Bow And Arrow !!!

 

So what? They have escort ships surrounding them and dozens of aircraft to protect it.

 

If I wish to be PR for anything at all, I wish to be PR for peace.

What ever decision you end up taking I will support you in it. I will never side with North Korea over you.

With my own preference for your decision being, "no military action". Because I just don't care about Mr Kim.
He is entertainment purposes only in my life. Something to pass the time discussing.

When you go to war, pretty much any time you go to war and for any reason. You can expect me to have taken your side. But you can also expect me to start bloody groaning a lot. These wars suck man. It isn't fun. It is tears.


So please, put your guns down. Put your guns down go home and dance with your wives. Divert your attention from weapons to building factories that make children's toys. That's what I intend to do.
I know it's ****ing stupid, I know it's dumb hippy **** that will just get everyone killed. But that's all it takes.
One side has to go first,

And if you do, this changes not very much at all, China or Russia replace you, the tensions continue.
But you are out of it. And you are free.

 

They can blow them clear out of the water, with a missile barrage from their mainland. Without a US aircraft carrier = no US aircraft. Meaning, the rest of the fleet are just sitting ducks when China show up with their own aircraft.

 

And you know this just how? Comic books or wishful thinking?