How to deal with NK artillery?

I don't think if we attacked NK as a military matter but without military invasion that Kim Jung Un would engage in trying to mass murder South Korean and Japanese civilians. If he is as smart as his supporters claim, he would recognize this would escalate a mere military venture into a slaughter and no possibility it would not end without his death. Remember, we did not kill Sadam Hussein in the first Gulf War nor executed the Emperor of Japan. UNTIL he engaged in mass murder attacks against civilians, an end could be reached in which he is not killed - and he would likely understand that.

 

Our goal with NK should NOT be reunification of the Koreas, but to force China to FULLY take over NK as Chinese run territory, rather than as China's slave labor colony they can also mess with the USA, SK and Japan with.

 

I can buy a drone that can drive itself to my front door for ~$100. Attatching a similar drone and some fins to a rod of tungsten or depleted uranium would not be cost prohibitive for the military.

Getting those weapons into space however- yes, you're correct, is INCREDIBLY expensive... but: http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/08/1...itary-pentagon-cant-account-65t-taxpayer-cash

Im sure theres all manner of secret projects that get funded by pantagon 'accounting errors', and with anywhere from 2 to 10 T-T-Trillion (depending on which media outlet you look at), I dont think it would be hard to mass quite an arsenal of all sorts of shiz in space.

 

@JakeJ, they don't have to bring up their artillery, it's already there. Been there for 70 years... growing.
I liked your comments on toppling NK in 3 days and then leaving China to occupy the aftermath.

The first part seems fanciful but the second part is damn smart thinking. I like it.

 

And why would China want to take over North Korea? And how do you suggest we force China to do anything?

 

And you think attaching depleted uranium to a drone would be a weapon exactly how?

 

From the article:

Regardless of these considerations and constraints on the North Korean side, if Pyongyang embraces the worst-case scenario for Seoul — the indiscriminate targeting of the capital and its suburbs — the damage would still be significant. Some research claims that overall damage and casualties in Seoul would be minimal, but those studies have relied on very conservative data, especially regarding the effective range of North Korean artillery systems. Many findings do not take into account newly deployed, modernized 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems with extended range, or the much more capable 300-mm multiple rocket launchers. If projectile flight distances reach proven ranges (or commonly accepted ones) and involve these new systems, then the northern portion of Seoul could be saturated with fire. Even areas south of the Han River could be within range of 170-mm self-propelled guns, 240-mm multiple rocket launchers or 300-mm multiple rocket launchers, depending on their position on the North Korean side of the DMZ. If every one of Pyongyang's 300-mm multiple rocket launcher systems were directed against Seoul, their range would be sufficient to rain fire across the city and beyond. A single volley could deliver more than 350 metric tons of explosives across the South Korean capital.

This certainly does not support your position. And that article was eight months ago which is long before the latest North Korean missle tests.

 

Oh yes it's going to be a "walk", like it was the first time, like Vietnam was, like getting Sadam Husein would be the end of Iraq, Bin Ladin the end of terrorism, Afghanistan, etc. Oh yes it's all a "walk' isn't it? A walk through cemeteries. Six years Royal Australian Armoured Corps

 

Kinetic bombardment is just the 'dropping' of something with a really high terminal velocity from orbit to a target on earth. Tungsten and uranium are both very hard and very heavy, which make them the ideal materials for kinetic ammunition because they can survive re-entry and transfer more energy to target. The purpose of fins and guidance system I hope are obvious.

 

Exactly, which is why attaching depleted uranium to a drone isn't going to work as per your post #153.

 

10 Trillion i doubt it, our GPD is $18T, and most are needed in construction of roads, ssn, mediaid etc etc. also we need hundreds billions for conventional military, there aren't that much $$ for that. there is already drone weapons, its different than oribital weapon, which too costly and tech is not mature in that area.

 

Except that its not actual money the govt is spending. Its just credit/debt that gets shuffled around between govt accounts and the fed reserve. There is nearly unlimited potential for laundering and fraud, if the right palms are greased in the oversight depts.

 

when you want to buy something you still need buy it with debt/cash, the ppl who manufacture, work, material still need actual cash. lets just stop the conspiracy theory here, unless you have actually facts.

 

Lol ... Normally I would get a laugh attack about the arrogance in your post that it is an easy task like Iraq, if it would not be so sad and would be a nightmare awaking for those fellow US soldiers who will die and the bunch of civilians.

But OK, believe the rubbish you want, it is your decision in a free world to have it ... and I will not waste my time to convince you about realities you normally should know.

 

believe the BS you want to believe ... it is your decision to ignore facts!

And I know the range of most artillery pieces of what NK has ... so you at all know and can name what they have?
One missile of ridiculous Scud A or B with poison gas to Seoul and you have your disaster which kills the civilians!

You blame me to have nothing ... I get a laugh attack! YOU HAVE NOTHING ASIDE ARROGNACE AND BS BLABBERING!

Tell me how you will eliminate these tens of thousands of artillery pieces when they are well hidden in caves, bunkers and tunnels in the rough mountain terrain! You so glorious Air Force wasn't even able to eliminate the Iraq artillery effective in flat open desert terrain!

 

US and RoK units have radar systems that track shells and compute their firing point. This information is fed to counterbattery units that fire on those points to destroy/disrupt the enemy tubes. This is why most US arty is self-propelled - to avoid said counterbattery fire.

 

Will any US artillery survive to return fire?

And if it does return fire, will it ever fire upon the enemy instead of their own guys?



Russians are the masters of artillery. Not America.
Koreans have better equipment, more equipment and more developed tactics.
US = arse talking.

 

Ah - the THOR satellite. Big fan.
Use the leftover heavy AP rounds from the Iowa-class BBs - add a GPS guidance package and you're good to go.
Yeah, they're a bitch to get into orbit, but pack more wallop than any non-nuclear weapon (and probably more than some of those).

 

The Yanks have these sub orbital missiles now and also sub orbital drones.
They can basically bomb anything anywhere any time.

Not exactly a cheap solution but impressive none the less.