How to take on Iran

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  1. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How to take on Iran?

    Bomb them with bacon grease...
     
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    I do not disagree, China controls the goods, India controls our IT, Russia controls our President... and our debt is setting new highs every year under Trump
     
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    CNBC is reporting, "European officials said they created a trading vehicle to help Iran get some relief from U.S. sanctions, but Tehran may see the proposal as insufficient to stop it from moving forward with a threat to violate its nuclear deal.

    "The remaining parties to the nuclear deal, abandoned by the U.S. last year, have been scrambling to find a way to keep Iran from leaving the agreement. They held an urgent meeting in Vienna in an effort to hold Iran from violating the deal. The trade mechanism was announced after the meeting.

    "But Iran said it would continue with its plan to enrich uranium even though it is just days away from a volume that would violate the nuclear accord."

    Meanwhile, Trump has warned our European allies that they have a choice of doing business with the U.S. or Iran.

    Good job, Mr. President, as you drive us farther and farther away for our allies.

    I see you are having a great time with the communist dictator of Russia. Pompeo was laughing his head off at your joke about Russian interference in our election, and your attack on American news media was great comedy. We all enjoyed it.
     
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    This is surreal.

    Congress has the power to declare war.

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the power to declare war, in the following wording:

    [The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.

    Trump Republicans in Congress have refused to rein in the reckless President. They have chided him, but do nothing. Trump recently joined with the communist dictator of Russia as both had a good laugh over Russia's interference in our election. To Trump, that is a joke.

    Recently, Trump nearly caused a catastrophic war with Iran.

    To all of this, Republicans in Congress do nothing. Now they have even given up their war powers to Trump. The Senate on Friday rejected an attempt to require Trump to seek congressional approval for military action in Iran.

    Republicans in Congress just gave our erratic President, who is a friend of Vladimir Putin, the unlimited power to go to war against Iran and her many proxies throughout the Middle East. If Iraq, a far weaker military power, is any measure, war with Iran would be multi-year disaster, and Trump is completely in charge. Senators abdicated their power over the executive branch.
     
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    Would love to hear your thoughts about our intervention into libya a few years back.
     
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    Patrol the straight , destroy any defences that interfere, otherwise completely ignore them.

    If they start developing nuclear weapons bomb the reactor.

    If they quit supporting terrorism acknowledge Israel's right to exist and welcome nuclear inspectors anywhere anytime ? Welcome them to the international community and let them all get rich selling their oil.
     
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    Oddly,you speak as though India is an adversary; whereas, of course, precisely the opposite is true.

    And evidently, your definition of "a rogue nation" is one that does not lean heavily to the left.

    Presumably, that is why you speak glowingly of China and Russia (at least, insofar as they serve as counterweights to the US).
     
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    Such weird assumptions...what's the point?

    Never said India is an adversary? India is and will be a challenge.

    I don't have a definition of 'rogue nation'...check a dictionary; rogue nation - a state that does not respect other states in its international actions.

    Spend your life worrying about 'left and right' is a waste of time...just think about the issues as they pertain to the nation.

    No where did I speak 'glowingly' of China or Russia? Both are considerable challenges to the US today and into the future...
     
  9. pjohns

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    India is an ally--not a "challenge."

    Dictionary.com does not list "rogue nation"; however, it does list "rogue."

    Under it, is says the following:

    "1 a dishonest, knavish person; scoundrel.

    "2 a playfully mischievous person; scamp.

    "3 a tramp or vagabond."

    I do not think that it is "a waste of time" to decide that the right--or the center-right, at least--is far more nearly correct than the left in America is.

    Well, you did speak of the US's facing "an entirely different scenario moving forward with China, India, Russia, and the EU."

    At the very least, you appear to view China and Russia as counterweights to the US--and, presumably, quite useful ones, as well.
     
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    Trump, who talks or tweets about the most inconsequential things, says he has "No message to Iran."

    Video courtesy of Russian Television, or RT.

    #RT #news
    Trump: 'No message to Iran, they know they're playing with fire'

     
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    India; 1.4 billion population with a 1.1% annual population growth rate, along with their economy and geo-political issues, is a challenge to the US and the world.

    The US in many areas is a rogue nation.

    If you swim in politics, convincing yourself that left or right is better or worse than the other, it's a 100% waste of time considering what's in the best interest of the USA.

    I don't view China, India or Russia as 'counterweights'?? They are challenges to the US and the world...
     
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    If you still consider the US to be a "rogue" nation, then you are using a much different definition than the dictionary does.

    To claim that it is a "waste of time" to decide whether the left or the right is "better or worse" is...well, to view things from, let us say, a most unusual point of view.

    And I remain unsure as to just what you mean by the weasel word, "challenges." (Note: I emphatically reject the view--held by Vladimir Putin--that economic power is some sort of zero-sum game. For other countries to excel in the economic area--and it is, quite frankly, very difficult for me to imagine Russia's doing so--would be aligned with what I fervently wish. This should not harm the US, even in the slightest.)
     

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