Human life does not begin at conception or birth.

Of course a fetus is part of her body. Are you claiming her ueterus and eggs are not part of her body?

Authority over one's own biology is the ultimate individual freedom and one's body is the ultimate private property.

 

regardless.

 

Or if there's someone outside them.

 

I don't believe conjoined twins have the right to undergo questionable medical procedures without the consent of their co-twin.

 

Neither would be old enough to consent in the first place. That would be a parental decision.

 

Yep. You be outside me bigly.

 

I think there's an old thread that addresses this: Mathematicians say that the inside is the same as the outside

It basically discusses the ethical considerations from a logical and geometric-mathematical perspective.

 

Another logical fallacy. Parents don't have the right to make decisions for their child that are obviously very harmful, and which are not being done for the best interests of the child.

 

I don't...

 

The assumption being that the parents don't act in the best interest of the child?

Somebody slandered me like that to my face during a medical crisis with one of my kids and for damn sure, one of us is going down.

 

The pro-choice side has some very interesting opinions about abortion...

 

I agree. Do you agree that there is a time to kill?

 

Alive = Life. Human life is continued via conceptions and births. It does not begin with conception or birth. It is not life from non-life. It is not life from death, and it is certainly not something from nothing.
I submit that you are failing to distinguish between a human being and a person. A person is a being with intellect, emotion and volition. Human beings are human beings before, and sometimes after, they are persons.

 

life continues though death and you are reborn, being born is not the beginning or the end, just an ongoing journey

 

I wasn't addressing it nature, I was addressing its worth in our current legal climate.

 

was Hitlers life valuable... all life is valuable, some need a reset though.. to try again... jmho

 

even if one believes in a God, don't you think if one women aborts, a good God would just move that soul to another vessel.. that is.. if their God is good like that - I think some believe in Jealous or Vengeful Gods, God's that punish first born, that kills all their children but a boat load

 

If you believe that, why do you believe it's only okay for someone else to divert that journey at certain interval periods of time?

 

How do you know if that fetus is going to turn out to be the next Hitler or the next Mother Teresa?

Claiming that human being would be better off dead is very presumptuous of you.

 

It won't be good for the woman if she didn't truly believe that.

Anyway, maybe we should mete out a little bit of punishment on the off chance that that soul might not transmigrate.

 

Human life does not begin at conception or birth.

Taken to the obvious extreme, Human life began 200,000 yrs ago or so and continues to this day. Each of us today are one little snippet of this "Human Life" and carry within us the seeds of continuation.

 

never claimed I did, but the poster I replied to claimed all life was valuable, so I asked if Hitler's life was valuable?

we already know how Hitler turned out, hindsight is 20\20

do you think Hitler's life was valuable? is all life valuable?

if everything is a part of God's plan then only God decides who lives and who dies.. right?

 

sure, if one is without sin, feel free to issue such punishment I guess

remember it is said God killed all his children but a boat load once.... drown them.... hmmm... like Andrea Yates only on a huge scale

 

Everything I have stated is technically correct. Your post is also correct - aside from your "failure" claim. Just because something is both human and alive - does not make it a human. A brain cell for example is both human and alive.

The anti aborts are famous for using obfuscative language. The compound phrase "Human Being" is one of these obfuscations.

The "Phrase" Human Being is a noun which refers to a living human. The heart cell is both human and alive "in being". This does not make a heart cell a "Human Being".

Personhood is a different question yet. When living human lacks significant brain function that human is declared clinically dead. The plug is pulled and the dirt nap begins. This living human is no longer classified as a person.

The label Pro Life - in of itself is an obfuscation. There is a difference between "life" in general and human life, and a human. A sperm is human life (a you infer).

The metabolic perspective looks at life as a continuum. As you say animate does not come from inanimate.

The four other scientific perspectives on "when does human life begin" are: Genetic, Embryological, Neurological and Ecological.

 

It may be a primary form of birth control. At least for very irresponsible people.

I figure women who get abortions, because they were irresponsible, and didn't use birth control, are all victims. Victims of their own lack of responsibility.

I think some people celebrate irresponsibility. It's cool.