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There's a Dunkin Donuts poster in Thailand. Have a look at the picture and tell me if you see anything wrong with it. I don't see a damm thing wrong with it.



And yet, HRW is making a big fuss because it's "racist" and "bizaare".. Now I'm sorry, but last I checked, looking anywhere you want without seeing a stupid advert is NOT a human right!

HRW said: "It's both bizarre and racist that Dunkin' Donuts thinks that it must colour a woman's skin black and accentuate her lips with bright pink lipstick to sell a chocolate doughnut."

Am I missing something here? How on Earth is this racist? If it were a white woman eating a powdered sugar donut, would THAT be racist? HRW are sabatoging their own credibility and cause by such frivolous claims of rights violations. If they find real human rights abuses, it'll be harder to take them seriously because people would be like, "they say I'm violating human rights, but then again they think so is a poster so no big deal."

Ridiculous American values claim Dunkin Donuts.

And they're right. A bit of a culture difference. I understand PC to a certain degree, but people have twisted it and perverted it so much that it's gone ridiculous. Things that are not offensive are still complained about. And in this case, it wasn't any public complaints. HRW didn't like it. In fact, the PC police go around and look for things that THEY think could theoretically be offensive to somebody, and complain, even if nobody has ever complained.

If anything, HRW are being racist. Saying you can't use a black person in an advert?

This reminds me of when PETA made a big stink because at the Six Flags theme park, kids were having a bug eating contest. ? We can eat cattle and chickens but no bugs?

Usually I like these organizations but sometimes you'd like them to bark up a bigger tree, rather than bark at a blade of grass.

You can read the article here but I've already paraphrased the important bits:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-advert_n_3844406.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP

 

American companies always show black people in racist ads in Asia.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Darlie?o=2801&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com

 

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There is less sensitivity about these issues in south-east Asia. A friend of mine, Cambodian, was pretty frank about it when discussing issues regarding indigenous people here in Australia. Since it's a Thai franchise I don't think much will come of it.

 

Of course it's racist. It's not an actual black person either, it's a picture of an Asian person edited to look as though she is in "Blackface"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

And coming from an American company, it's an absolute disgrace.

 

Everything is racist unless it is a white person. Duplicitous hypocrisy is the best that can be expected from progressive leftists. Have low expectations of them and you will have it right.

 

Yes I think that pretty much sums it up. And it is a shame really. As far as poster artwork goes thats a pretty good piece. If you look at a close up, the girls features suggest she might be Thai. Has their ever been a black Asian, how exotic is that.........which is the message the advertiser is trying to get across. Our new donut is amazingly exotic and you know you just have to try one.

 

Its about the donut, not the person. It is a metaphor, not a commentary.

 

Black Asian?

Tiger Woods lol.

 

Exactly. She's dark, because she's selling the charcoal donut.

The problem is, you can't have the whole poster be dark. It wouldn't catch as many glimpses. You need a color contrast, and a center of attention, hence the lipstick.

 

Ummm it says " charcoal " donut, not chocolate ... Have you seen what a person looks like when they leave a coal mine ?


Really wonder about people sometimes ...

 

Do you suppose this is a pressing matter for HRW? Do you not reckon frivolous complaints can mess up your credibility as an organization?

Was Michael Jackson a racist for his white face?

How about blonde white girls sprayin' on spray-tan till they're Mexican?

They do the oppositte in India, where lighter shade is more desirable, so they have like the opposite of spray-tan.

 

I guess I do not understand why someone wants to eat a charcoal flavored donut.

 

Is Michael Jackson racist for putting on white face?

What about spray-tan where white girls turn Mexican?

In India, the huge craze is the opposite of tan, where they try lighten their skin color. Is that not racist against white people?

 

None of those have racist origins however. They're hardly comparable-- Jackson had vitiligo. People use fake tan to look like how they go naturally in the sun. And the Indian thing isn't to look Caucasian, as there is a whole range of light to dark brown skin tones in India.

Blackface is an exaggerated and deliberate portrayal of a black person. The lips are painted bright red to emphasise contrast and size, and the colour painted on the face is the darkest shade possible, literally "black".

People on stage would don blackface and often mock black people - the way they act and talk.

Educate yourself.

 

First of all, you don't need to be condescending during a polite discussion.

This is the 21st century. It's a new culture now. And who do you expect in Thailand to know anything about a historical American caricature? It's not like they put the poster up in Harlem. This happens around the world.

I just watched a TV commercial in UK which depicts different nationalities trying to sell different flavor crisps and they've done Mexicans, extremely hyperbolic stereotype doing all the Mexican things, and they've had southerners for the cajun flavor and they were all like yeehaw suckin on straw, missing teeth, the lot.

But there's no Mexicans or American southerners here. So no one cares. The same reason why nobody cares in this case.

You get these things. You must have seen the exaggerated Frenchman before. Black and white stripes, red beret, thin mustache and going "oui oui huh huh!" while playing an accordion?

By the way, as far as stage acting, they do that for all kinds of things. You ever seen a pantomime? Take for example cross-dressing, a form of this far more common. Is that sexist? Because in the past, they usually had cross-dressing males to play female role. In fact, the exaggerations are far more than this poster. The chest is stuffed way too much, there will be an ostentatious dress etc.

Today's transvestites are like that too. Are they being sexist?

Racism means you claim superiority over a race, or discriminate or hate. At best you could call it offensive. Racism is a higher caliber word, because it's meant as that person is racially superior. Even telling ethnicity jokes isn't "racist" although certain people can get offended. Otherwise what definition would you use for racist? If you make it too inclusive and diluted than racism doesn't mean as much like it's not so bad. Mockery isn't racist. Including it in the word is just PC growing beyond its bounds some more.

Lots of people mock different nationalities and such like that. These people aren't all racist.

Also, she isn't black as can be. They obviously made her charcoal colored to match the charcoal donut. They did not make her pure black to match a blackface. And her lips are pink instead of red. This is quite a significant departure from the old blackface.

And I'm wondering what you think of my main point here. Say it's racist. Fine. If so, do you honestly think this is worth a complaint from HRW? Do you not think frivolous complaints, on behalf of people who were never offended in the first place, can cause people to take them less seriously? Being able to look anywhere you want without seeing something that offends you is NOT a human right. Free speech is more of a right.

 

Charactures, provide that's even what this poster is trying to be, exaggerate whichever features are there. Whichever ones, whether they're black or have a big nose or whatever.

This cartoonist is racist? Note the flared nostrils and puffy lips.

 

White people seem to forget racism isn't just the white supremacist beating the black guy down with a crow bar, it's not burning crosses, it's not the kkk. It's everything. And I'm not saying this sarcastically. They have every right to be upset even at the notion it could be construed as racist because racist logos and ads still exist. These are only a couple.

http://www.businessinsider.com/racist-company-mascots-2011-9?op=1

So please, please stop being offended because someone else is offended. Like I said with free speech...if you put it out there, you deserve whatever the return on that speech is. You put out an ad and people think it's blackface, chances are, it's probably blackface.

White people are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sensitive these days, aren't they? You'd think they were persecuted for 200 years in America or something...

 

Funny, based on what is going I. It seems that black people are those overly sensitive.

 

Right! Only progressive MaO'Bama voting everybody is a victim even if we have to make crap up leftists see racism here.

 

The only thing "racist" about this is that it once again gives liberals the opportunity to look stupid commenting on it.

 

[video=youtube;9vXFkIkYEx8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vXFkIkYEx8[/video]

Racist Dutch!!! I thought Europeans were enlightened progressives??

 

Exactly. It's EVERYTHING. People incorporate so much into the label of "racism", so many petty, trivial things, that it waters down the definition so much it's like racist isn't necessarily bad.

The word actually means to discriminate against or claim superiority over, or slander against a whole race. But people go so hyper-pc that if you even think about the color black you're a racist.

I mean look at this. Uncle Ben? How is Uncle Ben "racist". What definition for "racist"?

Even that website you linked to doesn't claim any racist. Like I said, racial undertones? Perhaps.

Nobody construed it that way. Nobody got upset by the ad. It was in Thailand. This person thought it was innapropriate but nobody else complained. They have the right to be upset all they want but the person who hung the poster still has every right to hang it.

Nobody would have noticed. Instead, they made a stink out of it, and NOW lots of attention is brought to the ad. That's what I mean when I say when you go too far PC, you actually undermine yourself. Plus, treating this like a "human rights" issue makes HRW look worse as an organization. If THAT is a big deal then they can't be fighting many important battles

Are crossdressers sexist?

Like I said with free speech...if you put it out there, you deserve whatever the return on that speech is. You put out an ad and people think it's blackface, chances are, it's probably blackface. [/quote]

There's no people. Only one person said that. You are addressing a straw man. I never said I was offended. I'm explaining how it's a lot more out there now.

Now THIS is racism. This is the first racist remark right here.

 

Every guy on the planet should oppose this ad and demand it be taken down. Just imagine if that hairstyle become the latest craze??? How long do we wait now for a woman to 'put on her face'? Think how long that monstrosity of a haircut would take to construct! We could be waiting hours just to get some McNuggets...

 

Discuss the topic in a civil and respectful manner, please, and do not use this thread to dish out racial slurs.

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