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I'm was just giving you examples of different situations and how normal nations react to them. The Palestinian leaders instead of using children as sacrificial lambs to get back some real estate that they're never going to get back, why don't they just swallow reality and let the poor people get on with their lives.

 

Israel is not next to Iran, so it's not a border issue between the two countries. Also, Israel's aggressive acts towards Iran, has to do with its stance towards them. If Iran wants the aggression towards them to stop, then they should change their tone towards Israel.

If it has to do with the Golan Heights, that's Syria's problem and by extension Russia's, so let them cope with it. Iran has no reason to be involved. As for Lebanon, it was established by France as a Christian state and it was peaceful and the most prosperous state in the Middle East - that is until they let the Palestinians in because the Islamic states refused to take them. I don't know of any nation or religious faith that would not take in and help their own brethren.

If Lebanon now is endangered by Israel, which it is because of the water situation, it's because of Hezbollah. Without Hezbollah, Lebanon would come to some kind of agreement with Israel. So why is Hezbollah there? If it's to protect the Palestinians, then why didn't they protect them in Jordan?

Seems like Islamic expansionism to me.

 

You gave examples. I commented on how the treaties around them issues are. And the one that sticks out is Israel, who ethnically cleanses and colonized occupied territory against the international treaties all countries are backing up.

And that homeland of the Jews ethnically cleanses and colonizes... and kills who ever stands in the way of that.... can all be explained by the Jewish religion that supports genocide to get hold on the land of Israel. It is something the hardline Christians, with all their compassion, support.

Even Turkey got a point, that intervention on Cyprus was justified according to treaties when the Greeks were attempting to illegally annex that Island with the help of the Greek Cypriots. I'm sure you are aware of that, but casually never mind for the sake of your own agenda.

 

Too bad you are not a Palestinian and have to live at the mercy of the Israelis. I bet you a dollar you wouldn't like it one little bit!!

Human Rights Watch is calling on the International Criminal Court to open a probe into apparent Israeli war crimes committed during its recent 11-day assault on Gaza that killed 260 Palestinians, including 66 children.

U.S.-made weapons were used in at least two of the attacks investigated.

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/7/30/investigation_israel_war_crimes_palestine
That makes you, Jeannette and your fellow Americans guilty of a Palestinian Holocaust!

The USA would pounce on any other country, but not beloved criminal Israel! With Israel they operate in reverse... they pay them for their criminal thievery and butchery!

 

I wish you would have had the same concern for the Christian genocide in Syria. 300 Christians were being beheaded everyday during the past years, and Assad who was protecting them was demonized no end.

Actually I have a great deal of sympathy for the Palestinians, because they have been used and abused by their leaders and the other Arabs States for 70 years. I don't know of any religion or nation that would do that to their own people.

As an example, when 150 thousand Cypriots were thrown into refugee camps, they were resettled and able to continue with their lives in a few years. I'm sure the half millon Serbs thrown into refugee camps were also able to get on with their lives, after Germany had torn Yugoslavia apart in favor of its former allies Croatia and Bosnia.

Compare that now with the 250 thousand Palestinian refugees whose leaders were being paid by the Arab states to keep them in poverty so they'll keep fighting to retake 'Palestine'. Don't be shocked! What do you think was going on, and probably still is?

I fear that too many people are so blinded by hatred towards Israel, that it supersedes any compassion they might have for the Palestinians who are suffering and dying, because if they think that Israel will give a damn what Human Rights Watch or anyone else says when it comes to their security, then they have another guess coming.

 

How do you know I don't?

Of course, it is the Palestinians' own fault!! Thanks for enlightening me.
In my opinion, the problem is that nobody dares speak up, leave alone do anything, about Israel's blunt and cruel human rights abuses, because they would be attacked not only by Israel, but also by the evil empire with bombs or sanctions.

US endorsement of Israel's crimes is perpetual from one president to the next and the American people are in agreement footing the billion dollar bills every year, year after year.
https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html
https://understandingdeeppolitics.o...as-millions-plunge-into-hopelessness-despair/

Naturally, Germany needs mentioning! Why don't you open a new thread and I'd be happy to give you a hand.

Of course the "blind hate for Israel" is a cheap shot from the Hasbaras' rhetoric. You forgot to mention "Antisemitism"!

The real problem, I think, is that nobody dares speak up, leave alone do anything, about Israel's blunt and cruel human rights abuses, because they would be attacked by the evil empire with bombs or sanctions.

 

Look, the grievances nations have with Israel is a different subject. Of course giving money now to build Israel's Iron Dome, when Israel controls much of the world's wealth infuriates me and a lot of people, but that has nothing to do with its survival as a State.

We all know Israel's human rights abuses are monstrous, but they are a defensive and not an aggressive measure, considering the threats it has been getting over its very existence. If the Palestinians and the Arabs and Iranians who gear them on were to accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state - which means no right of return, then I would be the first to condemn them.

 

Killing children is of course defensive in the minds of USraelis!!



https://israelpalestinenews.org/newspapers-features-photos-all-67-palestinian-children-killed-gaza/

 

HOW exactly were they killed? Was it by a random rocket fired into the civilian populace? Or grenades thrown over a wall?

 

When the Palestinian children are used as a propaganda method to arouse sympathy for the agenda to take back Israel, yes it is. The Palestinian leaders know that those children are going to be killed and they don't care, anymore than the Israelis do when they kill them. Their attitude is, if you want your children to die, then so be it.

First of all would those children be throwing stones or do whatever they're doing, if they weren't geared towards it by others, and would they be geared towards it if their parents were economically better off and felt they had a future?

You're looking at what's going on without looking at what is causing the problem and its Islam and its belief that if it doesn't triumph over others, it means that others have triumphed over them.

 

They tickled their toes!!

 

Forget the pity stone throwing; these kids were bombed and bulldozed and machine gunned to death while hiding in their homes! When the world's third or fourth lethal military power gets engaged, there will be no one left to breathe.

You think it is all the fault of Islam now? What about the Nazis?? The most evil in the world!!! Not in fashion anymore?

Anyway, I googled and found a decent site which clears up a few things about the Israel/Palestinian conflict and establishes that a genocide was and still is being committed by Israel:

The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective

Excerpt:
Francis Boyle, a professor of international law, testified in 2013 that “The Palestinians have been the victims of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.” He argued that:

For over the past six and one-half decades, the Israeli government and its predecessors in law – the Zionist agencies, forces, and terrorist gangs – have ruthlessly implemented a systematic and comprehensive military, political, religious, economic, and cultural campaign with the intent to destroy in substantial part the national, ethnical, racial, and different religious group (Jews versus Muslims and Christians) constituting the Palestinian people.

Continue reading here:
https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palestinian-people-international-law-and-human-rights-perspective
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So, my question is, why has the genocide not been stopped?
In who's interest is the slaughter continuing?
As I said before, nobody dares to criticize the Jews lest they get charged with Antisemitism and hate-crime, which will land the individual perpetrator in jail.
What about whole countries, like China, Russia or Iceland?

 

Yeah, Hamas launched rockets into the civilian populace and then, when there's retaliation, marches the faces of the kids they helped kill around the internet. Typical Palestine. Not to be trusted.

 

Of course a genocide is going on, but who is to blame more, the Arabs and Palestinian leaders who are encouraging the children to commit acts that will get them killed for its propaganda value, or those who are killing them? That is the question?

Both have blood on their hands. The difference is that with all of Israel's faults, and it does have many, it is a matter of security for them. Even now an Iranian referred to them as the illegal Zionist regime in reference to the problems along the Azerbijian border.

The situation might have been different if Israel had used diplomacy right from the start, rather than brute force. Then again, considering the part of Europe their leaders came from at the time, did they know anything other than brute force?

Anyway, it's too late now, the hatreds are too deeply embedded.

 

Haha... rockets? You mean stove pipes which barely make it over the wall and never hit anything except some plowed field!

 

The crux of the matter is that the so called "Jews" are not the original Jews, they are the Khasars from Russia. They were a ruthless and war-loving people who ambushed the trades people coming through their country Khazarica. Eventually they fled west as far as Germany, but mostly stayed in Russia, Poland, Ukraine etc. You might not know much history, living in the US, but it was these Khazars, also named Bolsheviks, who massacred 66 million Russians...

Jewish Bolsheviks Murdered 66 Million In Russia
https://rense.com/general77/bols.htm

That puts your notion of the Jews being programmed by WW2 to bed!

Yes, diplomacy would have been the better choice. But it is not too late yet. The Zionists could offer a fair deal and be willing to retreat to their UN-allotted chunk of land for starters and then bargain for a little more.

No, it is never too late. As the US is rotting from the inside, so will eventually their support for the Zionist State.
I know, I'm hoping for the impossible, but we are at the brink of some world shattering changes, politically as well as naturally.

 

I know, they're sh^t at war stuff. Except of course the hundreds showering the iron dome, that would have just landed in with civilians. What a bunch of inept cave dwellers. Inbreeding is a huge thing there, and it's pretty obvious!

 

The only ethnic cleansing was the Jews from the Gaza strip. Gaza and the west bank have higher population growth rates than Israel. Ethnic cleansing would involve a reduction of those people of a certain ethnicity.

 

Think they have pretty much cleared out the people who used to live in Israel .. starting with creating Gaza go begin with .. Long history of cleansing the Israelites have .. since back in the good ol days .

 

There is no genocide taking place, one is being prevented. Hamas still has a charter demanding the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews.

 

I'm perfectly aware of Russian history, and who the Bolsheviks were, and where they came from, etc., etc. If it doesn't matter to the Russian Church, the Russian people and Vladimir Putin, why should it matter to you? It is over and done with. Besides, the Bolsheviks were all killed when Stalin came to power

As for the Zionists, they were indifferent to the lives of their own people during WWII, so they would have martyrs to establish the State of Israel. Most of the martyrs were the Orthodox Jews. They were an embarrassment to them, since they didn't conform to the European secular and racist ideals of the era.

According to you, diplomacy means giving the Palestinians back their lands, or they will continue sending their kids to be killed to make the Jews look bad. Brilliant! So let's say they were to get back that land, do you think the Islamic states will allow them stop killing their kids unless they take back Jerusalem and Israel? I don't, neither do the Israelis.

 

Ethnic cleansing would not involve a reduction of people. If we just so happen to differ from ethnicities, and I push your entire family in the walk in closet to live in, and I take the rest of the house... than I ethnically cleansed your family without a reduction of population.

And the only ethnic cleansing that happened in Gaza were the Jews crossing into the occupied territory and settling there at the expense of the ingenious population. It simply isn't even allowed as citizen of the occupying regime to settle in occupied territory, even when it's vacant... according to the Geneva Conventions. But good try in rewriting history.

 

1948 Arabs were 19% of the population within Israel excluding the West bank and Gaza. Today they are 20%. Youve been sold a bucket of BS.

 

Did you reread that by any chance? It doesn't look like you gave any thought to how ridiculous that sounds, which isn't really surprising. DO you have any reliable source on this?