Hungary’s Orban: 9/11 Proved ‘Christian Civilization Is Something We Must Fight for

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  1. Durandal

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    Then why is Trump sending him love letters? Why did Tucker Carlson go over there to lavish praise on Orban? They are praising him for dictatorial rule, for closing parliament and canceling elections. And apparently, so are you and Jenny.
     
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    Anyone who doesn't bow to the liberal totalitarianism of the one world order, to you is 'authoritarianism'. Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?

    Orban is representing the people who voted him in office. Isn't that what presidents and prime ministers are supposed to do in a democracy? I wish other leaders had the courage to do so and didn't have to bow to economic pressure, that way they too could gain the respect that's due their office.
     
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    Actually God commanded killing on many occasions. He sent his people to war and promised them victory and sometimes ordered them to not leave anyone alive. He also commanded death penalty for certain infractions. The 10 commandments tells us to not MURDER aka commit unlawful killings. Self defense, war and capital punishment are examples of lawful killings. How do you defend your family if you are not ready to kill? How do you defend your country? How do you defend yourself? Sometimes violence is needed to prevent even more violence.
     
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    They are praising Orban for retaining his countries faith, traditions and heritage and not bowing to the EU's liberal totalitarianism.
     
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    Why are so concerned about who Trump sends letters to? I don't care what the hell trump is doing. He's old news as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Yep, "liberal totalitarianism" sounds like an oxymoron to me.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "retaining faith, traditions and heritage" :lol: Sounds like white nationalist code talk for ethnic cleansing and religious persecution.
     
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    OK. Leftist authoritarian state. Leftist's first instinct is to reach for the whip.

    "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

    George Orwell
     
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    Is that really an accurate picture of what's happening over there?

    From what I heard, over in Hungary they just ended "Rule by Decree". Is that something the Democrats and Biden would like to end?
    (You know, with Biden's recent new decrees about vaccine mandates for all government workers, and even a decree on private businesses)
     
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    You made me laugh out loud.

    I don't know if you posted that as a joke... or not.

    Where did I get my information that killing in war is NOT a sin ??

    I found it in an obscure book that very few have read... so I don't know if you have heard of it.

    It's call the Bible.

    Btw... the definition of "sin" is found there too... just in case you are interested.

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    But that's just for the public good, just ask them they'll tell you.

    The truth is the "public good" is the greatest danger to individual liberty. And leftists are instinctively authoritarian collectivists.
     
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    THAT is an unBiblical humanistic rule.

    Abortion is the SIN of MURDER and can NOT be compared to killing in righteous warfare which is NOT a sin.

    Under God's Biblical law, the SIN of MURDER carries the death penalty.

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    Only according to Mosaic law, which does not apply to Christians. We are under a new covenant.
     
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    You err... BIG TIME !!

    First of all... Jesus Christ is the incarnation of God [the fullness of God dwelling bodily], therefore Jesus Christ is GOD, our Lawgiver. Jesus Christ is the same God who gave us His Laws in the OT to administer in our government. Jesus Christ kept those Laws perfectly and never taught anyone to do otherwise.

    Second... White European Christendom are the literal physical descendants of ancient Aryan Israelites who Jesus said were the lost Israelite sheep to whom He was sent, the Israelite sheep who would follow Him and they did. Those who are called "jews" today are descendants of Edomites who feigned "conversion" in the 2nd century BC so they could live in the Kingdom of Israel [see first century historican Joesphus' "History of the Jews".] Those Edomite converts became a usurping, destroying fifth-column. In 37BC Edomite Herod allied with Rome to conquer Jerusalem. Then Rome made Edomtie Herod their client king of Judea. Edomite Herod murdered the remaining Israelite Hasmonean royality, totally tore down Israel's second temple [the temple Cyrus had decreed built in the OT] to rebuild Herod's third temple... and Edomite Herod tried to murder God's Temple made without hands when he ordered the massacre of the babes of Bethlehem to try to murder the Christ child.

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    Putin never returned to Tsarist Russia's faith, traditions and heritage.

    The irony is... Putin's Russia retains many of the resurrected symbolic icons of Tsarist Russia... but it is still "demon possessed" by Leninist/Stalinist marxism.

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    Are you sure about that? It tells you HOW to have an abortion in there. It also tells how god told one group to slaughter entire tribes including children. That's not only a sin for him to send people to do it, but for those who followed his sinful orders in the first place. This was before the jesus part, so none of those he condemned on either side make it to heaven.

    Not very ethical.
     
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    God makes the rules, not humanistic wannabes who love to wallow in blasphemy.

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    No, what I say is correct.

    Mosaic law is the old covenant, and if you think you are under that law, then its you who err....BIG TIME. When is the last time you sacrificed an animal? Do you obey their dietary mandates? Try reading the book of Hebrews (its in the new Testament).

    "For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another
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    By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

    Jesus is not amused seeing people push racism and trying to justify it by perverting the scriptures.
     
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    If you read the Bible you'll understand why God ordered their annihilation.

    6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
    4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    They were mortal/other-world hybrid creatures, giants, on the earth. A corruption of His creation that had to be eliminated.
     
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    Many Christians cannot believe that God in the OT is the same as God in the NT, but He is. God consists of Pure Love and can only create. How can a pure creative force, negate from His own creation. Wouldn't it be a contradiction in terms?

    God has to present Himself as an authoritative father in the OT, so people will realize that there are consequences to their actions. This doesn't mean though that it is God Who is punishing them. He is presenting Himself that way because it's the only way that they could understand it at that time and place.



    If a killer comes into my home and I have a gun of course I'll shoot. This doesn't mean though that if I kill him that I didn't commit a sin. Even the intent to do so would be sinful although not as grave. Also patriotism unlike nationalism, is a love for one's country and home and therefore a virtue, so if you have to serve you will. But if you kill, it is still a sin no matter what.
     
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    That's awesome. God consists of pure love and can only create, so when he wiped out almost all land life in an imaginary global flood event (which also would have been catastrophic for marine and freshwater life, but whatever) and ordered one tribe of humans to murder another, well, it would be a contradiction to call that what it is, so let's just say that he had no choice in the matter because that's just how people were back then, and stuff.

    :lol:
     
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    The question is more is modern ''leftist civilization'' something worth fighting for?! Even if it still is somehow it is to much destructive in itself, that any positive results can follow from such a fighting.
     
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    No, leftist civilization is not worth fight for. It has entered a stage of terminal corruption and depravity.
     
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    It isn't God that harms us. The harm comes when people turn away from God's protective love. They are consequences of our own actions, and the OT gives us examples of what will occur. But they didn't occur only in the OT, they occurred over and over again throughout history through natural disasters and wars. People are just too dumb to realize it.

    How we feel, what we do and say will affect everyone and everything and depending on the extent of our thoughts and actions, the whole atmosphere. Take a good look around you and what is going on so you can see what our sins have reaped - and it will get worse.


    Some words of wisdom from Saint Porphyrios:



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    Man has such powers that he can transmit good or evil to his environment. These matters are very delicate. Great care is needed. We need to see everything in a positive frame of mind.

    We mustn’t think anything evil about others. Even a simple glance or a sigh influences those around us. And even the slightest anger or indignation does harm.

    We need to have goodness and love in our soul and to transmit these things. We need to be careful not to harbour any resentment against those who harm us, but rather to pray for them with love. Whatever any of our fellow men does, we should never think evil of him.

    We need always to have thoughts of love and always to think good of others. Look at Saint Stephen the First-Martyr. He prayed, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." We need to do the same.
     
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    What is "leftist" civilization?
     
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