"I am a Zionist"

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Oh, yes they do!! Where did you get THAT idea?

    There are even international laws on what happend when someone's land is incorporated in another country due to border changes. The law is that the person retains their property and they become a citizen of the new country.

    This is also false. There are nomads there as their are in other places around the world. However, even they have places where they lived when they are on that property. Nomads don't just wander around wherever.

    And, Israel has bulldozed settlements that belong to nomads. That'st more crime.
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    Sorry. The people living on property there have EVERY RIGHT to live on their property. They have just as much right to do so as I have for livign on my property in Seattle.

    Again, where did you get these NUTTY ideas that some army should just be allowed to come in and bulldoze people's homes, their orchards, etc., and steal their property?

    Under what law is ethnic cleansing legal?
     
  2. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Good point. I'm saying that what we CLAIMED as the TRUTH was a beacon of light.

    I certainly didn't say that what they DID was a beacon of light. What we do TODAY isn't a beacon of light - it's a denial of what we have claimed to stand for.
     
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    pitbull Banned Donor

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    Nope, the toughest Zionists are evangelical Christians.

     
  4. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden 'is' whatever is popular. He stands for anything (read: nothing).

    Biden would run as Trump if he wasn't running against Trump.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden 'is' whatever is popular. He stands for anything (read: nothing).

    Biden would run as Trump if he wasn't running against Trump.
     
  6. pitbull

    pitbull Banned Donor

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    Nobody could simulate Trump and his madness. No matter how much orange paint he smears on his face. But surely, Joe could also be a good Republican leader.

    That's nearly perfect for being president of a democracy.
     
  7. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Theres still a lot of people who want someone who actually stands for something, has their values and convictions.

    ...wierd, huh?
     
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    pitbull Banned Donor

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    Not really, there are lots of groups who want someone who stands for THEIR values and convictions. Trumpsters are only a minority. :)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet they voted for Biden who stands for nothing.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Wrong again, just more of your same statist propaganda.

    the Waco massacre[2][3][4][5] was the law enforcement siege of the compound that belonged to the religious sect Branch Davidians. It was carried out by American federal, Texas state law enforcement, and the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993.[6]

    EXCEPT WACO!!!




    EXCEPT DRESDEN!!!

    A Zionist created war, where the noble US of K took the high road and fire bombed them murdering nearly 1/2 million innocent noncombatant men women and children.




    EXCEPT WASTES COMPLETE CITIES IN A WAR THEIR ZIONIST ALLIES STARTED!!!


    Think Wil, think ffs
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I had to laugh, I watched the debates and was shocked to hear volumes of absolute nothing from him! People voted for him, (at least we are led to believe thats the way this went down, if we can believe that) proof this country needs and is ripe for a dictator!
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Not under any british construct they certainly dont, land ownership is merely held in tenure (rented) in the US no different than it was before the revolutionary war 1776ish.

    Did you study land law per chance? Here the federal guv owns the states and afaik the king never did divest the crown of the property rights for any territory established by the british.
     
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    It IS a little odd that Israel has given one concession after another for many years and the "Palestinians" refuse to change at all. I mentioned being a Christian Zionist on another site and one guy damned near lost his miind explaining how the evil Zionists control America. The actual description of a CZ is "any Christian who supports Israel's right to live in their land"
     
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    Nothing happens in a vacuum. Israel resists a whole culture of death that would cheerfully exterminate every Jew off the planet.
     
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    Zionists were never interested in Dresden. They wanted to create their colony in Palestine, not in Germany. Hence their terrorism was (and is) limited to Palestine.

    The bombing of Dresden was supposed to bring about a quick victory over Hitler. His murderous National Socialism spread like a cancerous tumor and brought death and destruction everywhere. It had to be stopped immediately!
     
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    This makes me curious how peaceful America would be if say Russia or China were powerful enough and decided to isolate and block trade and humanitarian aid to the Americans, as Israel treats Palestinians, because Americans/Palestinians are violent.
     
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    They block that stuff because it's how Palestine smuggles in weapons to murder innocent Jewish children in the streets.
     
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    ??

    I stated what's in the Declaration of Independence.

    You responded with a bunch of crap we did.

    What are you thinking?
     
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    And Americans treated the same as Israel treats Palestinians wouldn't do the same?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, are we attacking antifa or BLM for their terrorism?
     
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    BLM and Antifa ARE Americans, reacting violently to what they see as oppression, which is absolutely nowhere near the level Palestinians are handed by Israel. You make my point for me.
     
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    I don't see the act of declaring it to be a huge point. For instance, so far Biden has taken a less pro-Israel stance than Trump (Biden supports a two state solution and has criticised some free-speech issues in Israel, whereas Trump came down on Israel's side on almost every important point in the peace plan and didn't even consult the Palestinians). It seems to me declaring oneself a Zionist may be a strategic move to get Israeli buy-in for a two state solution (not particularly likely to succeed, but more likely than getting Palestinian buy-in for Trump's plan). Of course, I don't know that that's necessarily what's happening, I'm just saying the declaration is not enough to go on.

    In addition, Zionists are a broad group, it includes religious, secular, liberal, political zionists (there are even Muslim Zionists) and many other subdivisions with a wide range of details and justifications. To link a particular self proclaimed Zionist to specific policies/ideas/actions of other Zionists will take more than just linking them to the same broad group.
     
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    The Palestinians had their chance for a state of their own and walked away. Had they not abandoned Oslo their position would be much better than it is today. Now they are reaping the rewards of generations of political stupidity and military incompetence; those failures are not cost-free. As the late, great Abba Eban famously said: "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
    The Israelis owe them nothing.
     
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    Sure and Britain in support of Zionism, muscled in and took that chance away from them.
     
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    and Israelis are different how?
     

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