I Am the 1 Percent Used to Justify 100 Percent of Abortions

related thread: most women who were raped do NOT want to abort the baby

 

So wars are all OK because we kill unborn babies too? We should not have fought WW2 because abortion was not legal?

 

There you go. At least now you're honest. You believe a zygot's rights come from a god. Of course not all of us subscribe to the same mythologies.

 

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Well, one accepted definition of Sentience is the ability to perceive one's environment, and experience sensations such as pain and suffering, or pleasure and comfort.. I believe it has been determined that an unborn in the womb does have sensation and feelings.

Myself, I would say the point where reasonable brain activity takes place, which is prior to the 32nd week of pregnancy.

https://www.nibib.nih.gov/news-events/newsroom/new-technology-reveals-fetal-brain-activity

 

I never mentioned God or religion.

 

Why?

 

That is just your opinion that many others do not share.....although the argument is not really about "personhood". It is about when a human soul has inalienable rights.

 

Now you’re assuming that we have souls and their rights are codified?

 

I think he is trying to say that on Dec. 8th 1941 when FDR addressed Congress he should have first demand abortion be made legal so we could go to war. Just guessing.

 

The moment it doesn’t require all its medical care to happen to another person.
How do you protect the rights of a “person” when the state doesn’t know it exists? Are we going to have to register pregnancies to protect the unborn? Is every miscarriage a potential crime screen? Is prenatal care going to be mandated?

 

Prove the soul exists.
Once you do y’all win the debate

Pro-life people really need to stop calling themselves that — as they would be for healthcare, the environment, against war, against the death penalty and a host of other issues they deem as “capitalism works best”.

Anti-choice or “pro-non viable bundle of cells” seems more appropriate. Once life actually occurs y’all no longer care.

 

You say rights are independent from law and cannot be man made. And you say a zygot's right is superior to the woman in whose body the zygot is in. So the right has to come from somewhere ….

 

I never said that an unborn is "superior" to its mother. They are equal.

 

We're talking about a woman's right to not be pregnant versus a fetus's right to live.

 

Yes. What's your point?

 

Well....your argument was first about sentience. Are you now saying that it is "personhood" and not sentience that should be the criteria? The term "soul" is just an easy way of explaining awareness. From all scientific reports, an embryo does have some degree of awareness.

 

There is already precedence. Some State and Local Governments already have decided that a person could be charged with 2 counts of murder if an unborn is killed when his mother is killed. I would say that in order to make that declaration then the State does know it exists.

Miscarriages are "natural causes".

 

Well gee...can the unborn make any decisions on its own? I hope for your sake you say no. Therefore it's the mother/father.

 

The only know she’s pregnant because she’s dead. Surely you want to protect the unborn even before they die?
Yes but who determines that it was a miscarriage and not intentional? If you find a dead body in a park the police and coroner come out. That’ll obviously need to happen for a miscarriage, which can only happen if women have to register every pregnancy.

 

I guess since kids still die from Malaria, may as well legalize murder.

 

Sou

Soul is loaded language used by those who wish to make an argument based on religion. I’d recommend not using the term if that’s not the argument you’re trying to make.
Automatic responses to stimuli do not indicate awareness or sentience.

 

If a "soul" is awareness, then it has already been proven by science that an embryo (at a certain stage of development) DOES have a degree of awareness.

Actually, I lean more pro-choice for the most part and can certainly understand the argument of a person deciding what is best for them and their body. However, I can also understand the argument of the rights of the unborn.

 

Because you claim I murder people. So yeah. You can’t engage in a meaningful or adult conversation

 

Well, I'm making it and I am certainly not religious....spiritual, maybe, but not religious.

I think it would be a very tough argument to make (scientifically) that an embryo, prior to birth, does not have some degree of awareness.