"I Don’t Care About Russia!” Says Average Voter

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  1. Horhey

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    I don't see any evidence to believe Trump is just a showman. In fact his biggest claim to fame is being a billionaire who built most of his empire.
     
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    Acually those links convinced me not to vote for Hillary. I do care about corruption in the Obama Administration, the DNC, Hillary's campaign, and Trump.
     
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    If you want to actively oppose Trump, focus on his horrible policies, rather than the man personally. He's a symptom of corruption, not the cause. What will we get in his place? That's the real issue. The system itself.
     
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    So for the record you don't think Russia was behind the leaks or tried to hack the elections? Then why does the CIA and FBI insist that it did happen and even warn France about it when they got attacked?
     
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    Actually the polls said that it was a dead heat and that Handel had evaporated the small lead Ossoff had. We aren't talking about whether we should go to war against Russia. Why are you bringing this up?
     
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    You don't believe the CIA and FBI on this? Our country was cyber-attacked and you want to deny it ever happened. We need to be vigilant and respond to attacks like this.
     
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    Most Democrats are not average.

    Most Democrats unknowing have become stooges of the Kremlin.

     
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    And NDSAP successfully propaganded the agressiveness towards other nations. Somehow I do not see any sort of "USA scare" among my people, for some reason I do not see a constant military show off and war propaganda in my country. So who are there to be compared to Germany of 30th-40th of past century, exactly?
     
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    It happened on Obama's watch...why didn't he do anything about it ?

    Obama like most of the leftist didn't become concerned until after they lost on January 6th, 2016.

    As the Directors of the FBI, CIA and the NSA all have recently said under oath that the Russians along with the former USSR have been meddling in our elections for decades. No different than what America has been doing in other countries since 1946.

    If Obama were have lost in 2008, would the left be blaming Russia ???

    If Crooked Hillary were have won would anyone be yelling "The Russians are coming" and would there be hearings being conducted in Congress ? I doubt it.
     
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    That's what they said about Iraq.
    What's going on is that there is a plan in place to launch a first strike on the Russian territory and its been progressing since the collapse of the USSR in 1989.


    Robert David English, writing in Foreign Affairs, observes that:
    Many of the same points are made by John Mearsheimer, also in Foreign Affairs, a few months after the U.S.-orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014:

    In the early 1980s, the Reagan administration announced its plans to develop a missile defense system designed to protect the United States from attack by ballistic strategic nuclear weapons (intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarine-launched ballistic missiles). The new project, officially termed the Strategic Defense Initiative by the Pentagon and nicknamed "Star Wars" in the media, became fully operational in 2006.

    Some analysts have argued that U.S. missile defense is a sword, not a shield, as the Pentagon claims. In Foreign Affairs, Keir A. Lieber and Daryl G. Press conclude that it's actual purpose is to achieve U.S. nuclear primacy over potential rivals, such as Russia and China. The authors point out that Washington has continued to eschew nuclear first strike and contend that deploying missile defenses "would be valuable primarily in an offensive context, not a defensive one; as an adjunct to a US First Strike capability, not as a stand-alone shield":
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    This analysis is corroborated by the Pentagon's 1992 Defense Planning Guidance (DPG), prepared by then Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney and his deputies. The DPG declares that the United States should use its power to "prevent the reemergence of a new rival" either on former Soviet territory or elsewhere. The authors of the Guidance determined that the United States had to:
    The National Security Archive notes that Document 10 of the DPG includes wording about "disarming capabilities to destroy" which is followed by several blacked out words:
    It is so:
     
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    Then where are formal charges? You got solid proof you say - why is not it presented to United Nations yet? Where are demands of reparations, formal apologies, demands of arrests of involved people? Where is retaliation of the United States of America?

    Ukraine presented their charges against Federation to International Court of Justice, as did Georgia after events of 2008. What makes United States different from these countries, that it does not makes the evidence public, does not demands international involvement?

    Where is the retaliation for a violation of your nation's sovereignity by sabotage of your electoral procedure, WHERE is the action? Why, if USA posesses the solid evidence, it remains passive with it and lets the agressor being unpunished, if it has - as you claim - a solid proof of government of Russian Federation deliberately intruding in the elections and hacking them? Explain that.
     
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    Because they were persuaded that Russia is strong and can defend itself.

    Except "We can turn US into radioactive ashes" and other bullshit from Kiselyov. Completely in North Korea propaganda style.
     
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    And USA, in your opinion, is not capable of defending it's sovereignity?

    As for Kiselev - he is a known propagandist, he gets paid for telling that kind of things, regardless of how many people watch him these days. It's his job. Explain to me why USA media is constantly creating and supporting the new "red scare" among the USA citizens? This is a motif popular not just among one or few showmen, or news hosts. It is a thing normal for majority of mainstream US media, and I am asking why does it exists there? What for there exsists constant propaganda of war?
     
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    This is true if the Russian hackers did it. Obviously, it could be done by the forces that stand behind the Trump or the Chinese or somebody else.
    Although I think too that Russia showed dirty panties of Hilary. There are many people in the United States leadership who hate Russia. Russia must protect itself from these Russophobes. Now we are talking about the future of our peoples. If Russophobes will continue to control the United States, then The Russia will war with the United States.
     
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    If I can forge a IP then do you mean that russian hackers who work for goverment can not forge a IP? Apparently you do not understand the Internet.
     
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    Our intelligence agencies have determined that it WAS the Russians who hacked - not anyone else.
    It is not so much that we dislike Russia, it is that we dislike Putin and his desire to restore the former USSR. The Russian people are not our enemy, any more than the Iranian people are our enemy - and governments can change.
    Putin is not stupid enough to start a shooting war with America - it would be a disaster for Russia.
     
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    It doesn't matter as long as we're talking about "USA scare" among Russians.

    You don't see contradiction here?

    When Russian army invades territories of US allies and they found this situation disturbing that is because it's really disturbing, not because they want to see it so. Most western media have it's own agenda but it is dictated by it's internal policies not by pressure from authorities.
     
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    US special services say what their bosses want. We do not like that Usa invades and destroys countries, supports terrorists, provokes civil wars and places hypersonic nuclear missiles in Poland. We like Putin and what he does. Putin does not restore anything, he acts in the interests of Russia.
     
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    That is completely wrong.
     
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    I asked you question, american. I will decide what matters for me and what does not.

    No, because even he does not propagands war and fear of USA.

    So, you claim that all of mainstream USA media decided to do exact same thing, tell exact same narrative, without any pressue from any part of the government in any way? That is ridiculous.
     
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    I am a citizen of Russia and I see that Putin acts in interest of Russia. But who are you?
     
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    I'm not american, and you put the conversation aside, asking questions which are unrelated to what we're talking about.

    So, rhetorics like "turning US into radioactive ashes" is not a war propaganda?

    There is nothing like this in US, it's not a Russia.
     
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    I'm a citizen of Russia too and I see that Putin's interests and Russia's interests are quite opposite matters, you cannot see this because you were brainwashed by propaganda. You didn't choose your president because he was good, Yeltsin choose him because they were bound, there is no democracy in Russia.
     
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