"I Don’t Care About Russia!” Says Average Voter

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  1. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    You have the right to your opinion but you are in absolute minority.
     
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    Majority is almost always on the regime's side in non-democratic societies. And Russia is one of exceptions where majority of people do not trust Putin. Actually you are in minority, not in absolute though. Currently his rating is 48% according to state run WCIOM polling institution.
     
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    Totally this, there are plenty of things I hate about Trump and would be more than willing to go against him on.

    But the personal attacks and flat out lies coming from the "resist Trump" movement is sickening and makes me WANT to support his ideals more
     
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    Why do not you like Putin's policy? What do you think we need to change in Russia?
     
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    Make it ordinary democratic society, like any modern state, that's all.
     
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    But isn't that for Russia to decide? Yes, it appears more and more Russians are getting sick of their government being dominated by Putin.

    But why would you dislike Russia because of that?

    Is it the DNC thing? Otherwise I can't see how it really affects you, and even the DNC thing. They basically showed us the truth of what happeened, yes it was gathered illegally, but it is literally NO DIFFERENT from the leaks about Trump that keep coming out one after one.

    Unlike the most of the Trump things so far, these are proven true.
     
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    If Russia means people of Russia then yes, that's exactly them to decide. That is why they need to have ordinary democratic society so they will be able to decide.

    It affects me because I live in Russia, but it's not the cause. The cause is: I do not tolerate evil even if it's not affects me.
     
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    What will your "democratic society" do with hypersonic missiles in Poland. And if Ukraine joins NATO, then USA will deploy hypersonic nuclear missiles in Kharkov. Do you realize that the US will start a war against us if they get the opportunity to do it without much damage to the US?
     
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    Ah very good then, it definitely affects you!

    Would you say you are close to getting a majority of people who agree with you? Who are ready to move to the next step of "Democracy"?

    I have 4 friends whom were born in Russia and it is always interesting to get their impressions. None of them 'love' Putin, like RT claims, and they all have very different onions.

    1 Thinks he is a great leader and has really helped to put Russia back on the map. While he "knows eventually" they will want/be more democratic, for right now the strong arm of Putin is the way to go.

    2 of them (couple from St. Petersberg) think similar to #1, but that the "eventuality" has come. They are happy for what he has done, but think it is time for him to leave poltiics indefinitely.

    The last is definitely a hyper partisan, he absolutely hates Putin and wants him gone immediately.

    Do you fall into any of those three categories?
     
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    I am willing to guess his answer is:

    Join the west and become a member of the geo political world.

    If you break everything down, like 95% of the American public wants to actually be friends with Russia. There are definitely a few road blocks to that, I feel that a lot of people blame the recent actions in Ukraine and DNC are the main things.

    From the news I have seen, Crimea is still being admonished by the whole world, is your reputation and relations with almost the entire world worth it? At least half my Russian friends say no
     
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    Given you are a nuclear nation, that is a pretty ridiculous notion. Also, the US doesn't want to invade Russia. Our citizens would never allow it. We want Russia to behave in a peaceful and civilized manner, like most first world nations do. That's it. That's all we want. Peace, safety and prosperity are our only goals. I strongly believe that the same things are the desire of the Russian people. Our citizens do not hate each other, in my experience. Even during the cold war, Americans had great respect for Russia.
     
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    Whatever people decide to do.

    What make you believe in that?
     
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    If you break everything, how 95% of the Russian public wants to actually be friends with USA.
     
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    It is meaningless question because in order to agree or not agree with anything, you need to have democracy.

    No. I mind presence of democracy not who is president. If Putin would be the president of democratic Russia, I will be okay with that. Trump is the president of the democratic US, it doesn't make US less democratic. But Trump is a president, not an Emperor, that's the difference.
     
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    Maybe people will decide what to do with the rate of the central bank, with credit policy, tax policy, health, military policy, etc? I take it as a nonsense because most people do not have sufficient education. I think that the professionals should decide.

    I do not believe, I know it.
     
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    Did you purposefully misread what I wrote and decide to write whatever you wanted?

    I think the hatred that Russia has for the US is much more ingrained in your culture. So yes, when you break DOWN the meantlity of the average American they do not hod any hatred for Russia.

    Would you care to explain your 'tongue in cheek' comment or do you agree with my statement?
     
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    So no, you do not think the majority of Russians are looking to change to what your talking about?
     
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    These ukrainians shout "hang the Russians on the gallows".



    And this is the procession of the fascists in Kiev. They celebrate the birthday of the person who served in the SS during the war. During such marches they shout "hang the Russians on the gallows" and "cut the Russians with knives". At the same time in Ukraine, 100% of people know Russian and more than 50% consider Russian their native language and Russia as their homeland. The United States and the EU helped the Ukrainian fascists seize power in Ukraine. In 1991, very many were very good to the United States and now very many are very bad to USA.

     
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    The Brits bumbled into an unnecessary war with Germany that caused unprecedented death and destruction. Americans should try to avoid a similarly disastrous result with regards to Russia.
     
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    The founding fathers of America tried to warn us about getting involved in European affairs. They knew it would lead to massive taxes, oppressive government, and endless war. Stupidly, we did not listen to their profound wisdom, and now we found ourselves fighting the wars of Israel, Britain, France, Poland, Lithuania, Saudi Arabia, South Korea and anyone else who is clever enough to bribe our politicians and manipulate our media. Americans have become the imperialist sugar daddy that our revolution fought against. How far we've fallen from grace.
     
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    Right back at ya with Iran, what is your point?

    Are you saying the Russian people are quicker to anger and slower to talk than the average American?
     
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    Russia wants a stable and predictable Iran. The US wants to attack Iran in the interests of Israel and to create instability = more terrorism and radicalism. Your government wants to use terrorists to destabilize southern Russia and the Uyghur Autonomous Region in China. But at the same time, Iran threatens Israel with nuclear weapons and is at war with Saudi Arabia for control of the Yemen. Therefore, Russia will help Iran to exclude the US and Israil attack on Iran, but also to restrain Iran so that Iran does not attack Israel.

    Anger this feeling. Russians are more inclined to think than feel. Russians do not believe anything, they want to hear facts but not opinions. If you say by facts and logic, then the Russians will speak. If you say something like "the United States invaded Iraq in order to overthrow the dictator and bring freedom and democracy" then the Russian will say you - go f_ck or I don have any talk with stupid bastards.
     
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    The funniest thing is that after sometime everyone will say that the United States is to blame for everything! Russia knows this from personal experience. Sometime the Turks and the Iranians cut out the Christians as the ISIS does now. Then the Georgians crawled on their knees to Russia and asked to protect them from the Turks. Russia said that if they join the Russia, then Russia will protect them. Today, Georgians say that Russia captured Georgia.
     
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    Professionals should be elected by people. That is how democracy works, and it works well, look how organized and developed democratic societies can be.
     
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    How do you know it? What is the reason for US to attack Russia?
     
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