Lets look at the law instead, since that's the question I asked about. . Is she by law forced to raise the child? Or do orphanages and adotion exist in your jurisdiction? This may vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Men truly are on the hook if she decides to keep the baby in most places. They have no say about financial support owing from them. Does the mother? Is the mother also on the hook for support payments if she gives the baby up to an orphanage etc? Moreover, if the man is prepared to take custody of and support the child, is she obligated to give the child to him instead of to an adoption centre or orphanage if she doesn't have an abortion?
You are clearly uncertain of your position. You keep making it sound like she’s doing something awful and then claiming you didn’t say something awful. The only thing this poor woman needs is compassion, not claims that she wants to kill someone.
No I don't. You are projecting that because you sense I don't fully agree with you. I didn't say most of what you have claimed I said above. You have repeatedly told me I think what I never said I did. When I previously noted that you ignored my doing so, and continued to pursue your straw man. Awful is a value judgment. Is it awful to want to kill? Generally yes, but not necessarily. It depends on the case. She wants to do the abortion. That means killing the unborn. We can argue that this should be allowed or is even a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it is killing.
In fact 'medical abortions' are in the minority. They are outlier cases, and should ALWAYS be allowed. It's the majority which should be considered more carefully/ethically. Those done for 'convenience'.
No Dude, it's not. An in-utero (or neonate) baby with this condition is not going to survive anything, much less surgery.
Parents making the intolerable option of taking their seven year old off of life support because he is brain dead should not be taken as wanting to kill him. You are diminishing the sometimes all too painful choices we all have to make sometimes. What a cruel way to treat your fellow humans. I’m appalled by your stance.
Ok, I’ll rephrase. Whomever said below has a very cold way of looking at their fellow humans, and I find that attitude appalling. She wants to do the abortion. That means killing the unborn.
https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families How Can I Find an Accurate Number of Parents Waiting to Adopt? While it is difficult to find an exact, accurate number to answer this question, Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption. Based on this couples waiting to adopt statistic, many couples are waiting to adopt.
Doing an abortion means the unborn dies, does it not? You somehow imagine that doesn't mean killing? Silly me for thinking abortion kills them and they are dead afterwards. Where do you think the unborn go? Are they beamed up to the starship Enterprise? Are they taken to that farm that little kids' dogs are said to go to when they disappear one day? I had a loving dog for 16 years. He was like a son to me. When he was old he could no longer walk and was in horrible pain. I had to put him down. I filled him up with ice cream and hamburger patties for an amazing last meal and then took him to the vet for a letal injection. I layed on the floor with him and looked into his eyes and hugged him as this was done. I loved him very much, and I miss him all these years later, but I am not delusional, and a I recognize that it was my decision to kill him. I made that choice. So do women who abort a fetus. They decide to have it killed.
Well, it's also a matter of supply and demand with about 450k kids in foster care waiting to be adopted. The ironically awful thing is they have almost zero standards when it comes to sticking them in foster homes.
I’m sorry you feel that way. We have never once wanted to kill on of our fur babies. Not once. A new vet once suggested that I was a loser for not wanting to spend $3,000 I didn’t have, to potentially extend the life of my 19 year old cat, for a year. That was 20 years ago. I couldn’t afford groceries, and some holier than though vet wants me to feel guilty for doing what had to be done. Was that you? Because that’s how thoughtless you sound. Did you just show up to the vet and say that you’ve decided to kill your pet today?
Yeah, because everyone having to make that awful, personal, painful decision wants to kill and should be always reminded of that. I had to pull my dad’s feeding tube. When we went to the hospital, we didn’t announce we were there to kill our father, and luckily, nobody asked us how it felt to kill our dad. Someone suggesting such would have been punched in the face. It’s an absolutely disgusting way to think and talk about people who have to make extremely painful decisions about loved ones.
And did you just let that cat die in pain or did you put that cat down? If you put it down, you decided to kill it, regardless of how compassionate an act that was. Often it is the right thing to do.
Had you euthenized somebody who didn't want to be euthenized and was never asked if they wanted to be and nobody knew if they wanted to be, but instead if was done for somebody else's convenience / health.... would that change things? Would you be surprised if somebody else came along and demanded you not kill this person? Somebody's life is being ended at the demand of another. That's killing, regardless of how cruel you think it is to recognize it. Facts are facts.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Then start another thread.... Because there is NO "analogy" between abortion and killing a person It isn't...it's gets the perp a harsher sentence due to the UVVA (Unborn Victims of Violence Act)...and no matter what they call it it does NOT turn a fetus into a legal person...it does NOT have that power.....and even has a clause saying it cannot affect abortion ..
Abortion IS killing. The only question is whether or not the fetus being killed should be considered a person or not. You say no. Others say yes. Then why does it get the perp a harsher sentence? What's the logic if not that there are multiple victims, as noted in the name?
If you want to sugar coat the intentional death of another being, I won't let your judgment of me bother me. I find you equally disturbing.
Creating government enforcement of the existence of a deprecated fetus, in fact, a DEAD fetus, above the health and even life of a woman is something I find highly disturbing. The GOP repeatedly claims to be in favor of keeping the government out of our private lives. THEN, it turns around and pulls CRAP like this!!
You've missed (probably deliberately, else your argument doesn't work) the crucial difference. No one but rape victims is forced to conceive. That risk is a CHOICE. Stop pretending it's anything like the horror of having to end the life of a loved one (creature or human), through no possible fault or choice of your own.
