I hope a GOD exists but I am not holding my breath!

It's a Probability Calculation.

And Probability goes us as what is GOD is redefined.

AboveAlpha

 

Anyone can spit out a number and claim its a probability calculation, but garbage in gives garbage out. Its all made up numbers.

 

It's not like that.

The same protocols for developing a Probability Calculation exist for ANYTHING.

You and I could be waling down the street and you could say to me..."There is a 200 ft. tall pink elephant behind that building even though you can't see it."

Thus Probability dictates such a thing is POSSIBLE.

But not necessarily PROBABLE.

It has NOTHING to do with a persons FAITH.

It has to do with PROBABILITY.

AboveAlpha

 

It is integral to our understanding of this universe, but the instant you take it into the realm of multiverses and explanations of what came before, it is nothing more than speculation backed up with some nice math. In fact I'd go so far as to call it philosophy, not science.

 

It has nothing to do with faith. What is the basis for the calculation? What is the scientific reasoning behind the probability of the various variables, what is the statistical distribution? There is no way to come up with that data, not even estimate it, its total guesswork.

 

Well, as your creator God expects to be acknowledged in a humble fashion. I'm thinking that is the first step to "seeing something" .

 

your definition of consciousness is modeled around the limited human experience/model. you believe that humanity is at the center of the universe (an egocentric and/or species-centric view) and is therefore the standard of consciousness. this is sort of like saying that the universe and galaxies revolve around the earth. i instead suggest that every atom is conscious.

https://www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine?id=2071

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yes, i believe that this can be included.

 

And that is why, I find the physicist Tom Campbell's ideas so attractive, and even reasonable.

The image man has created of his gods, are rather infantile, and actually do not do a Creator any justice at all, if one does exist.

My brain cannot accept the gods created by primitive man, and which so many still believe in. But it does accept the idea that God is really a word used for Consciousness, and that this consciousness created the universe as something kinda like a virtual reality, with Consciousness supplying the information to create the virtual reality we see as the universe. And as with its creation, this consciousness is itself in a process of never ending evolution.

Of course this would infer, if true, that we are all of one consciousness, and we all receive as a transceiver receives, this thing we call consciousness, a fragment of it, or what can be handled by the recieiver, the brain.

At least accepting such a view puts "purpose" back into human existence. And it then explains the method to the madness we experience as human existence. And the good thing is, such a view does not cause you to go out and kill others who do not accept how you think about this issue. So it can be a very civilizing manner of thinking, that Consciousness is in fact the fundamental, not matter.

 

Of course consciousness is defined by human experience.
I most definitely do not believe that humanity as at the center of the universe, but I believe that our perception of the universe is firmly rooted in our humanity.

I totally reject your perspective that "every atom is conscious". Consciousness demands some kind of "brain". An "organ" that can process external senses input, process and comprehend how those inputs effect the whole and create appropriate responses. Atoms do not have brains. Plants do not have brains. Rocks do not have brains.
It doesn't require a human brain, nor human physiology, nor even a human environment, but it does require some kind of functional equivalent of a brain.


As to the "some kind of primitive "intelligence" of an atom, Edison's knowledge of molecular mechanics and biology in 1890 was virtually nil. . Its not surprising he would consider a variation of the ol' "intelligent design" creationist nonsense.

 

One does not need to believe in a God entity to be spiritual.

 

I do not think a God would tell a father to kill his own son... but that is just one example... there are many

we now know what creates rainbows, so that part is ridiculous too...

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They are two disciplines and one can follow one without adhering to the other. Spirituality is to rise above the ritualism of religion and is therefore more humanistic.

 

First of all.....even though I hope a loving and caring GOD exists....it does not mean I would ever want any GOD who needs and demands acknowledgement in a humble fashion!!!

The FIRST STEP......would be for either such a possibly existing GOD to make itself known or for Mankind to evolve to a sufficient level to be able to know if such a GOD exists as there is no current evidence.

I cannot tell you just how disgusted I would be if I were to find out that a GOD existed as advertised in any ancient human religious text and I would also be thoroughly DISGUSTED if I found out such a GOD demanded WORSHIP AND FAITH when there are the deaths of MILLIONS OF INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS occurring every day!!!

If I met such a GOD I would give it more than a piece of my mind!!!

There is a Logical Fallacy existing in Human Created religions.

The fallacy is this......

Despite what any creationist might say.....we KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY that QUANTUM AND BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION ARE FACTS and we can PROVE THIS!!!

Now this FACT does not interfere with the possible existence of a GOD or even GODS.

If a GOD or GODS exist then both Quantum and Biological Evolution is and are the methods it or they used to generate the Universe, Multiverse and all things living or not within them and it.

Now here is where there exists a LOGICAL FALLACY.

Religion states that a GOD gave Mankind FREEWILL.

But at the same time Religion states all actions and reactions thus CAUSALITY is based upon GOD'S PLAN.

Both cannot exist.

One or the other or NEITHER....but not both!!!

In order for a GOD or GODS to be able to have a PLAN....thus knowing and BEING THE CAUSE of all Past. Present and Future Events......such a GOD or GODS would have to know the position and specification of every single Quantum Particle/Wave Form existing in every single Divergent Universal State of reality existing in JUST ONE PART OF INFINITE PARTS of a MULTIVERSE!!!

If anyone can know the position and specification off any and all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms in at the very least THIS UNIVERSE....never mind the infinite number of others....but just in THIS UNIVERSE.....then such a person or being would be able to know every single cause and effect...action and reaction...and know all and every occurring or to occur or has occurred event FOR ALL TIME!!!

Now that is just in this ONE UNIVERSE....and because Quantum Mechanics and PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS human beings have developed from QM such as Quantum Computers and QUANTUM TELEPORTATION which we have achieved......well.....unless a Multiversal System exists.....Quantum Processing and Quantum Teleportation WOULD NOT WORK!!!

Since they do WORK.....we know a Multiversal System exists.

But let me explain just how tiny a part of the entire Multiverse I am talking about when I discuss INFINITE IN NUMBER DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY.....which is known as a SINGLE BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING.

Our Universe is but one universe that is a part of our Single Baseline Universal Reality Grouping as within our Reality Grouping there exists INFINITE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL REALITIES!!!

Each one slightly different from our own and some very different but different!!!

There are infinite numbers of existing members of this forum as each one of these Infinite in number Divergent Universal realities has a slightly different version of you folks and I and in some of them you and I were never born....or perhaps died.

But this is how I will explain JUST HOW SMALL A SINGLE BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING WITH INFINITE NUMBERS OF UNIVERSAL REALITIES actually is when compared to the MULTIVERSE.

In the MULTIVERSE there also exists INFINITE IN NUMBER BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPINGS.....and each Reality Grouping unto itself has within it Infinite Divergent Universal realities!!!!

I was brought in to a world renown Massachusetts based Higher Learning Institute to work on and develop MULTIVERSAL MODELS.

Prior to this the only existing Models were MANY WORLDS MODELS.....which basically was a model of infinite in number divergent universal realities all based upon our Universal Reality and only based upon all the physical and natural laws and space-time geometry exiting in our Universe.

But I understood that Many Worlds Theory was ONLY A PART OF A MULTIVERSE!!!!

When you talk about an INFINITE SYSTEM.....every possibility must exist.

Thus what is MANY WORLDS THEORY is just detailing a model of Infinite in number Divergent Universal realities but all having the same natural and physical laws and space-time as OUR Universal reality.

Because we are dealing with an INFINITE SYSTEM....the MANY WORLDS MODEL IS TOO LIMITED FOR QUANTUM MECHANICS!!!!

Thus there are also INFINITE NUMBERS OF BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPINGS!!!!

Each Reality Grouping has a completely or perhaps slightly different set of UNIVERSAL PHYSICAL LAWS AND SPACE-TIME or perhaps constructs and realities just so alien in their nature that Human's are most likely too little evolved to either understand them or even have a frame of reference to classify them!!!

Now.....when people start talking about a GOD or even GODS.....and even though I hope a loving and caring GOD exists......at the same time I also understand what this means!!!

The PHYSICAL MEMORY STORAGE NECESSARY to understand and know the position of every Quantum Particle/Wave Form just in OUR UNIVERSE....never mind the infinite in number other divergent universal realities with the same physical and natural laws......WOULD NEED TO BE UNIVERSAL SIZED.....even if we use the smallest possible method of data storage being QUANTA!!!

Then such a GOD would need to store data not just for ONE Universe but for ALL UNIVERSES and this means all infinite universes in OUR Baseline Reality Groupings and then all Quanta existing within ALL OTHER Baseline Reality Groupings.....and as this is an INFINITE SYSTEM.....Quantum Particle/Wave Forms would not exist in some or many of these Alternate Baseline Reality Universal Groupings WHICH WOULD HAVE UNIVERSES THAT HAD NATURAL PHYSICAL LAWS AND CONSTRUCTS THAT WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OURS!!!


Now some members here are going to either try to read this and stop or they will read all of it and say...."THIS IS JUST CONJECTURE AND CANNOT BE PROVEN!!"

Well.....here is the thing.....because we have as Human Beings developed such practical applications as QUANTUM COMPUTERS.....which by design can only work in conjunction with every existing infinite in number Alternate Reality Version of themselves......and because we have built them and they DO WORK.....this fact alone tells us a Multiversal System exists.

Same thing with our ability to QUANTUM TELEPORT via QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT ATOMS!!!

Now here is some info that will BLOW SOME PEOPLES MINDS!!!!


The company D-WAVE....makes Quantum Computers and GOOGLE just bought a Quantum Computer from D-Wave and the U.S. Military pay's D-Wave as they are a U.S. Military Contractor as the U.S. Military want's 5000 and 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computers for use in our FEL...FREE ELECTRON LASER tracking and targeting system.

D-Wave first built 10 of their 100 Quibit Quantum Computers.

A Quantum Computer must be ROBOTICALLY ASSEMBLED as any observation by any sentient living thing will render the Quantum Computer unable to work!!!

D-Wave robotically assembled the 10 Quantum Computers and no one was allowed to watch the Digital Video!!!

After 4 years D-Wave Executives and Scientists watched the video of the robotic assembly of 4 of the Ten 100 Quibit Quantum Computers.....IMMEDIATELY ALL 4 QUANTUM COMPUTERS STOPPED BEING CAPABLE OF QUANTUM CALCULATION.......AND THIS WAS A VIDEO FROM 4 YEARS AGO!!!


Next...D-Wave took a clear plastic cup and taped the cup with a common HOUSE FLY INSIDE THE CUP....directly to a computer screen.......

The girls just grabbed me for a New Years Toast so I have to finish this now!!!! LOL!!!!

The fly was in the clear cup.....taped to the computer screen.....no one else was in the clean room.....the digital video of the robotic construction of the next 4 D-Wave 100 Quibit Quantum Computer was run....and....IMMEDIATELY THE SECOND 4 QUANTUM COMPUTERS STOPPED WORKING!!!!

Thus OBSERVATION OF THE INTERNAL COMPONENTS OF A QUANTUM PROCESSOR/COMPUTER WILL COLLAPSE WAVE FUNCTION AND LOCK IN VALUE AND THUS MAKE QUANTUM INDETERMINACY AND QUANTUM SUPERPOSITION IMPOSSIBLE IS SUCH A PROCESSOR!!!

Even a FLY.....observing a digital video of the robotic construction of quantum computers was enough to RENDER THEM WORTHLESS!!!





WHAT IS THE REASON FOR ME DETAILING OUT ALL THIS?????????????

My point is that most people have absolutely no clue as to the extent of complexity of REALITY.

Most people do not understand that such complexity MUST EXIST for REALITY AND REALITIES TO EXIST!!!

The more a person understands such things and human beings only at this point know the smallest amount of what Reality really is.......the more a person understands that the simplistic tripe written in any and all ancient human written religious texts and books is so ridiculous and so OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY MAN.....that it is not even worth arguing the point with anyone who believes such writing or writings are the words of GOD.

THEY ARE NOT!!!

This does not mean a GOD or even GODS might exist.

But we might all have to WIDEN OUR UNDERSTANDING AND DEFINITION OF WHAT A GOD OR GODS ACTUALLY IS OR ARE!!!

But as far as any GOD that would have the knowledge of every single Quantum Particle/Wave Form any every single other alien in nature physical construct or energy in order to control and carry on a PLAN or for any GOD or GODS as to BE SO PETTY AS TO HAVE SOME CHILDISH NEED TO BE PRAYED TO AND WORSHIPED EVEN THOUGH SUCH A GOD OR GODS HAS WITHIN IT OR THEIR ABILITY TO STOP THE SUFFERING OF THE INNOCENT....well......


As I said.....The MORE a person understands about reality......the more a person understands just how idiotic the definitions many people assign for the word.....GOD.

Happy New Year EVERYONE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

cells have brains. they have the intelligence to process input and output.

 

You confuse biological responses to external inputs with having a brain.

 

Atoms are not aware of themselves and/or the world.

You're just coming up with your own private mystical definition of what "conscious" means.

 

The same probability calculation exists for determining a GODS existence as advertised in ancient human religious text as is the probability calculation that a 200 foot tall giant pink talking elephant exists.

The calculation is EXACTLY THE SAME!!!

AboveAlpha

 

A Collective Consciousness existing as GOD has a much higher probability of existing than the GOD of the Bible, Koran..etc.

It is called the GAIA THEORY.

AboveAlpha

 

I don't personally think a "God" would really make sense in the grand scheme of things. Energy can not be destroyed, we are walking electrical boxes. Maybe we end up in a little Potential energy waiting room until our energy is once again binded to a new form.

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I mean there's a possibility of the old book gods being extra terrestrials. Not likely, but it is possible.

Go further back in history and you see even stranger religions.

 

Cells do not have a Brain.

They have chemical receptors that are simply a part of that single cell.

But they do not have a processing neural synapse system.

What cells do is basically CHEMICAL REACTION.

AboveAlpha

 

Well....like I keep saying....Today's Religions are tomorrows Mythologies.

E.T. very well could have played a part.

And Matter is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.

I get a REAL KICK out of the Creationists who argue about the Earth and the Universe only being 6000 years old because such Creationists have absolutely NO IDEA that many of the Elements that are part of every Human Body and all existing Life from Hydrogen up to Iron was made in the Gravitic Compressed Solar Core Temp. Furnaces of Stars like our Sun.

And all heavier Elements fro Iron up were developed in SUPERNOVAS.....thus BILLIONS of Supernovas had to have occurred over many Billions of Years even before all Heavy Elements such as Gold and Lead...etc.....even EXISTED!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Well....Conscious Observation of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms locks in their VALUE AND FUNCTION and ends Quantum Indeterminacy and Superposition for those observed.

This is why a Quantum Computer must be built inside an ultra-clean room with robotics.

Even a FLY never mind a person observing their inner component assembly would make them worthless as they would not work.

And even if a person or even a FLY watched a digital video of the assembly many years later....the moment this video was observed....they would stop working.

AboveAlpha

 

I don't think you understand.

In order for Quantum Computers and Quantum Teleportation to exist and work.....and they do because we have built such things.....a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM MUST EXIST!!

AboveAlpha

 

Just as there are many forms of religion....there are also many forms and beliefs of Spirituality.

AboveAlpha

 

ANY FORM OF CONSCIOUSNESS.....and this includes a COMMON HOUSEFLY....thus Universal reality and perception is not limited to just humanity.

AboveAlpha