I thought Al Qaeda for our greatest enemy

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  1. Ronald0

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    Remember how the US government initiated two wars because it was this big bad terrorist organization that was launching bombs everywhere. Well, turns out, they are our allies after all. Which begs the question, what exactly is the US army doing


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32083


    To those who actually know history, this may seem like deja vu all over again. Iraq, Afghanistan are both classic examples of US tactics and this is exactly the kind of policies that led to the coming in power of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq. What followed was years of oppression for citizens of these countries by those criminals. And of course when those criminal organizations ceased being mere pawns, the US decided to invade them and kill of a few million more.

    This is exactly how 9/11 happened. Yet, those same policies that created 9/11 continue even today. What is happening though is the millions of innocent civilians around the world on the pretext of 9/11 but are actually all motivated by greed and lust for power.

    When will Americans take the wool off their eyes and see what is right in front of their eyes. When will Americans stand up against governments that kill millions. We all get excited by abortion and gay rights but mass murder, no one seems to care. Are these our true colors?
     
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    Major jinx with my thread.

    :thumbsup:

    I'm honestly baffled by the 180.
     
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    Study US history from sources other than the MSM. It's hardly surprising. What is surprising is how US citizens continue to buy the BS told by the government.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not really baffled. My sarcasm doesn't always show through the way I intend it.

    The US consistently takes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to new levels.
     
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    Yeah sometimes sarcasm tends to get lost on online forums unless you know the other person and his views.
     
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    You won't be getting many responses about the hypocrisy here. Liberals would have chimed in during the reign of Bush, but now Obama is calling the shots. Republicans are trained to never say anything bad about the military or US foreign policy.
     
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    This thread instructs that binary thinking is as bad as drug addiction - and probably related.

    A group doesn't have to be an ally - or an enemy - in order to be manipulated into doing our will. HTH.

    Drugs are bad, wingnuts.
     
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    I have some comicbooks from the 80s where the Mujahadin (remember them?) are our allies and so they're portrayed in an heroic fashion that would seem weird, today ... except that they're the predecessors to the Taliban, aren't they? And then there were all those anti-Russian propaganda flicks (some of which some people took a little too seriously) in the 80s, too. Now we have Darkest Hour, which is a fun little sci-fi flick about how awesome Russia is (even invisible disintegrator aliens should take a lesson from Napoleon and Hitler, apparently -- DON'T. INVADE. RUSSIA.).

    Propaganda aside, on the level of international politics, there's no such thing as enemies or allies. There are just the people you're currently hostile with, and the people that you're not hostile with yet.
     
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    ^^^^Two choices.^^^

    Thank you for illustrating binary thinking again. What is your drug of choice?
     
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    They're our greatest friendemy. Long lost in the 9/11 finger pointing was the fact that most of them were Saudis. Sunnis. Al Qaedeez. The US is allied with the Sunnis, who like killing Christians, black people, gay people.

    I believe it has to do with trying to get the Arab world united under one extremist banner and then bribe their international representatives into the global corporatist hand-holding union.

    There is no significant portion of middle easterners fighting for "liberty."
     
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    I'm under the impression that most of the middle east that is fighting believes that it's fighting for liberty from us.
     
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    lol. Not quite but that would make more sense. The destabilization uprisings are funded by and instigated by various western influences. The "liberty fighters" are really just western-sponsored terrorists. Working towards that "no fly zone" to aid the liberty-loving militias. "No fly zone" = bomb the infrastructure and render the sitting government incapable of defending their nation. Libya was the test run for a new type of regime change by proxy and propaganda.


    Here's Tripoli during Gaddafi's last speech. They were not out there by the hundreds of thousands to support NATO intervention.

    [video=youtube;jWzNhk3zv4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzNhk3zv4U[/video]
     
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    When you claim that a group is our worst enemy and needs to be wiped out at all costs yet you make allies of them at the same time, it is proof that you are lying.

    Let's not forget the quote be Reagan claiming the Taliban are the moral equivalent of the founding fathers.
     
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    AS usual, the zombies will ignore what is right in front of their eyes.
     
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    We know what the US government is capable of. It's sad that we sit around bickering about whose religion is better or which skin color is superior and continue all the murders that are being made in our names by people who we put in power. We look at civilizations thousands of years ago and call them barbarians. I think we are even worse.
     
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    I think its cliche to blame the US .. I think its far more complicated than that.
     
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    And you are right........................Yet-------------


    'The Blame-America-First Crowd' crowd is still around........ya know the kids that grew up blaming mommy and daddy for all their problems transferred that emotional sentiment to their world view when they went to college and began blaming America for all the World's problems.


    Michael Barone.............. "They always blame America first" that can be said about a lot of Americans, especially highly educated academic type liberal Americans today.....ya know the ones that voted for a Negro to prove they are not racist.....which provokes the question.............isn't that just another form of racism?.......to vote for someone strictly because of their race? heh heh I guess you become what you hate. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    In their assessment of what is going on in the world, they seem to start off with a default assumption that we are in the wrong. The "we" can take different forms: the United States government, the vast mass of middle-class Americans, white people, affluent people, churchgoing people or the advanced English-speaking countries. Such people are seen as privileged and selfish, greedy and bigoted, rash and violent. If something bad happens, the default assumption is that it's their fault. They always blame America -- or the parts of America they don't like -- first.

    Where does this default assumption come from? And why is it so prevalent among our affluent educated class (which, after all, would seem to overlap considerably with the people being complained about?). It comes, I think, from our schools and, especially, from our colleges and universities. The first are staffed by liberals long accustomed to see America as full of problems needing solving; the latter have been packed full of the people cultural critic Roger Kimball calls "tenured radicals," people who see this country and its people as the source of all evil in the world.



    On campuses, students are bombarded with denunciations of dead white males and urged to engage in the deconstruction of all past learning and scholarship.

    Not all of this takes, of course. Most students have enough good sense to see that the campus radicals' description of the world is wildly at odds with reality. But this battering away at ideas of truth and goodness does have some effect. Very many of our university graduates emerge with the default assumption thoroughly wired into their mental software. And, it seems, they carry it with them for most of their adult lives.

    The default assumption predisposes them to believe that if there is slaughter in Darfur, it is our fault; if there are IEDs in Iraq, it is our fault; if peasants in Latin America are living in squalor, it is our fault; if there are climate changes that have any bad effect on anybody, it is our fault.

    What they have been denied in their higher education is an accurate view of history and America's place in it. Many adults actively seek what they have been missing: witness the robust sales of books on the Founding Fathers. Witness, also, the robust sales of British historian Andrew Roberts's splendid "History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900."

    Roberts points out almost all the advances of freedom in the 20th century have been made by the English-speaking peoples -- Americans especially, but British, as well, and also (here his account will be unfamiliar to most American readers) Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders. And he recalls what held and holds them together by quoting a speech Winston Churchill gave in 1943 at Harvard: "Law, language, literature -- these are considerable factors. Common conceptions of what is right and decent, a marked regard for fair play, especially to the weak and poor, a stern sentiment of impartial justice and above all a love of personal freedom ... these are the common conceptions on both sides of the ocean among the English-speaking peoples."

    Churchill recorded these things in his four-volume history of the English-speaking peoples up to 1900: the development of the common law, guarantees of freedom, representative government, independent courts.

    More recently, Adam Hochschild, in his excellent "Breaking the Chains," tells the story of the extraordinary English men and women, motivated by deep religious belief, who successfully persuaded Britain to abolish the slave trade and then slavery itself. Their example was followed in time, and after a bloody struggle, by likeminded Americans. The default assumption portrays American slavery as uniquely evil (which it wasn't) and ignores the fact the first campaign to abolish slavery was worded in English.

    The default assumption gets this almost precisely upside down. Yes, there are faults in our past. But Americans and the English-speaking peoples have been far more often the lifters of oppression than the oppressors.

    "There is something profoundly wrong when opposition to the war in Iraq seems to inspire greater passion than opposition to Islamist extremism," Sen. Joseph Lieberman said in a speech .....
     
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    Even more surprising is how smart folks like us hugely underestimete the percentage of folks "buying this BS" by getting clues on television - with television promotion, of course they can fill up arenas, but how many more people do not care and do not believe any of this bs any more? is there some alternative for them to turn to?
     
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    About 3 months before the fall of Gadaffi, I heard on youtube, his spokesman offering UN monitored elections to resolve the conflict, US media/Obama never caught on to that. and strangely I could never find that video again, I was not delusional, I heard and saw what I heard. they were ready for elections, US just wanted to topple regime. sad. good post.
     
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    How could AlCIAda be our enemy?
     
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    Come on MArgot. You and I both know that the US meddles in the affairs of every country and ensures it has puppet governments everywhere even installing dictators in one country while crying for democracy in another. Let' not get into the (*)(*)(*)(*) the CIA does.
     
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    You don't want American to be blamed? How about the US withdraw its bases from all foreign countries. How about the US not waging war on countries without any just cause. How about the US stop meddling in other countries affairs altogether. Lets stop the meddling in others affairs and the US does not get any blame for anything. Sounds fair doesn't it? Why doesn't the US do it?
     
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    War on Afghanistan, to protect and expand opium plantations.

    War on Iraq, to destroy all opposition to the Whahabi/Muslim Brotherhood.

    War on Libya, to make North Africa part of the New Caliphate.

    War on Syria to create a huge Caliphate including North Africa, Arabia, Iraq and Syria.

    Then they either pull an attack on Iran like they are trying to do in Syria, or bribe the Iranians into cooperation.

    Then they have a vast front from Greece to China to attack Russia and Europe.

    America is in their plan too.
     
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    Ronaldo, don't you get it? Fake Americans can do no wrong, and anybody who don't like it can do no right.

    America's Divine Mandate in the Declaration of Independence “to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them,”and to have “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind”
     

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