Original Premise. Atheists believe that the big bang theory "created" everything. Yet, they do not believe in a "creator". Created=Creation=Creator. Therefore, logically...they cannot believe in the big bang theory. This post from Slyhunter proves my point. From Slyhunter. Big bang theory, this universe was created by the collapse of a previous universe. Your logic faulty, who created the creator. Finally, speaking for myself, God may be real but the bible is a work of fiction. Flawed Logic. Now, I can make a very long OP. But I will keep it simple, the original thread proved that Atheists have no logic and no evidence of the Big Bang by the rule of two. And the rants and attacks at Neutral from GZ turned me off from the Original thread. In the end Shiva came in with his stuff about Jesus not being real and the bible being total fiction. Still, today after the original thread was locked, No one has proved to me or any other christian in this board that there is no God. The big bang and evolution as theories have failed. Atheists failed to prove that the Big Bang and the universe had no creator; and they refuse to accept a creator, this is illogical and it proves how ridiculous they are when trying to use scientific data to debate Christians. There is no data to suggest the Big Bang had no creator. Therefore, the universe had to have a creator. If the universe had no creator the Big Bang Theory has to be elimitated from their premise and argument, or it is an illogical argument. To argue against a creator, by INTRODUCING a theory that requires a creator = EPIC ATHEIST FAIL.