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If I get my GF pregnant...Can I or should I tell her to get an Abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by jedimiller, Jan 2, 2012.

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  1. Taxpayer

    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's not. Neither is hair.
     
    Taxpayer, Jan 4, 2012
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Please refresh yourself on basic biology. A sperm cell is a haploid cell, meaning it has only half of the chromosomes necessary for human life. In addition, the sperm cell is missing a lot of cell parts. It is basically a haploid nucleus with a flagellum (tail) and enough mitochondria to power it. It has to fuse with an egg (which has the other half of chromosomes) in order to be a potential human being.
     
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  3. Blasphemer

    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

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    Yes. But what is the difference between a mass of unvaluable living human cells such as hair, sperms or embryos and a valued human being (person)?

    The brain (presence of mind).
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 4, 2012
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    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The difference is exactly what you said: whether it is valued. How a embryo or sperm is valued is subjective.

    Corpses, cockroaches, and democrats have a brain. Possessing a brain doesn't require something to be valued or give it legal standing.
     
    Taxpayer, Jan 4, 2012
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, the fact that the entity is a human being.
     
    Whaler17, Jan 4, 2012
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  6. Blasphemer

    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

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    Does being haploid make it not alive (dead)? No. Or not human? No, its homo sapiens haploid cell.

    Then its still a potential human being, only one step sooner. Thats the thing about potentials - they never end when we go in the past. Potentials are arbitrary and subjective. Only actuality is important for rights.
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 4, 2012
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    Indeed. Thats what I am trying to say. Facts are objective, values are subjective.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact–value_distinction
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 4, 2012
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    But thats just like, your subjective opinion, man...
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 4, 2012
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    If the OP's girlfriend gets pregnant how can he be sure he's the father? It then becomes a question of probabilities. Something to think about. :)
     
    Albert Di Salvo, Jan 4, 2012
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    No it is actually biological fact!
     
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    That's true.
     
    smileyface, Jan 4, 2012
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    Has no rights it is the woman's choice and it's a good thing.
     
    smileyface, Jan 4, 2012
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    Look luck with that. Sperm certainly is not a human being. It may carry the DNA but human I would like to see you buy it a pair of shoes.
     
    smileyface, Jan 4, 2012
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    Brilliant argument! :drool:

    Now go back to sleep
     
    Whaler17, Jan 4, 2012
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    Good job, only two demonizing misrepresentations. First, I haven't posted a definition of "person." I did, however, post two definitions from brilliant world renowned scientists. They are no more arbitrary than yours, which has been abandoned by many because it is problematic in the case of identical twins.

    Second, I have never determined "who" deserves to be killed or spared. Every pregnancy causes permanent damage to a woman's body and potentially threatens her health or life. SHE is the only one who can decide what is an acceptable risk for her. Without question, the woman IS an existing human being, not a life support machine or incubator.
     
    Cady, Jan 4, 2012
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    Very well said, thank you.
     
    prometeus, Jan 4, 2012
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    There is no argument the law is on the side of those that support choice. So deal with it.
     
    smileyface, Jan 5, 2012
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    The fact that fetus is human is a biological fact. The opinion that fetus should receive rights just because its human is your subjective opinion. Fact-value distinction.
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 5, 2012
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    True, but the law was also on the side of Jim Crow and slaveholders.
     
    perdidochas, Jan 5, 2012
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    Incorrect. Our constitution protects a human being's life, not human's life that meets some arbitrary criteria.
     
    Whaler17, Jan 5, 2012
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    No. You are confusing the adjective human with the noun human. That a fetus, clump of hair, liver, or pile of excrement is human (adj.) might be establishable as a fact. That a fetus is a human (n.) is an opinion. Human rights are extended to humans (n.) not all things human (adj.).
     
    Taxpayer, Jan 5, 2012
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    Appeal to current legislation. You already said that such argument is without merit:
    Anyway, unless you also campaign for the rights or biologically alive but braindead people (for banning transplantations), you are a hypocrite who acknowledges there is something else needed for protection than simple biological life and human DNA (since such characteristics are also shared by braindead people).
     
    Blasphemer, Jan 5, 2012
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    It does?
    In which article?
     
    prometeus, Jan 5, 2012
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    Your Wife too while your at it...:date:
     
    Gator Monroe, Jan 5, 2012
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    I am dealing with it, I am fighting to abolish it. Just as great Americans fought to end the oppression of slavery!
     
    Whaler17, Jan 5, 2012
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