If I get my GF pregnant...Can I or should I tell her to get an Abortion?

There is no reason to consider beyond the biological fact, unless you are searching for a way to justify homicide by abortion.

 

Do try to post something coherent old cap. We are discussinag a legal matter after all.

 

There is no reason to consider only this biological fact, unless you are searching for a way to opress women.

See? I can also project strawmans!

So why should be value human life with no mind? I see nothing valuable in such life to the point it should be protected by law.

 

Legislation can be changed. "Law should be such because it says so in the law" is circular reasoning.

 

Never suggested your strawman reasoning stated here. I simply point out that there is solid reasoning behind the position as evidenced by many lawmakers agreeing with that position.

 

Wear 2 condoms and always pull out. If she gets pregnant, you can guarantee its another guy's problem. I'm sick of dudes acting like they have to shoot in a chick. Get your priorities straight.

 

Why doesn't the original poster just have a vasectomy? Problem solved. No need to take an innocent life.

 

This is false quite obviously. The reason to only consider biology is because human beings are a biological classification, and only that classification has human rights. To try to create some ficticious sub class to deny rights would be the only reason to try to create one.

Oh you are a professional at it! However my comments were anything but.

Because all thresolds cooked up are arbitrary and immeasurable to the degree neccessary.

 

This GIRL has not DUMPED you YET??

 

Value statement (as opposed to fact statetement). That is your subjective opinion, not a fact, and many disagree.

All value statements are "arbitrary". This has been explained to you many times.

Setience is certainly measurable to the degree necessary. Even if we want to be maximally cautious, there is no reason why at least first trimester fetuses should have rights, since we are 100% sure they cannot have a mind.

To what degree is ability to drink responsibly measurable?
Are people one day before 21st birthday unable to drink responsibly, and few minutes after midnight suddenly gain that ability?

Law is full of fuzzy limits made exact.

 

I don't think his "girl" is going to get pregnant.

 

It is her choice. IMO if you get her pregnant then you are 50% responsible for the outcome. Because, for you abortion is acceptable risk when you have sex. If you were pro life you would not take the risk of having sex.

I would love to see men imprisoned and castrated if they get a woman pregnant and she has an abortion or if abourtion is outlawed. I think that would be a just law. If the right would push this agenda then I would be against abortion.

 

So it is solely the woman's decision whether or not to get an abortion and the man should have no say in the decision whatsoever, yet he should be prosecuted for a crime if she decides to commit a homicide through abortion?

Man, you have some issues.

 

Hey the man would no the risks. He chose to have sex. Therefore he must pay. I meant to say if abortion is illegal. Yes, if abortion is made illegal the man must pay. He must be castrated and imprisoned. Similar punishment for women if you like. I am all about equality. It is BS, that if abortion is outlawed under conservative laws the man that gets the woman pregnant would lose nothing.


Besides, you are the one calling abortion homicide. So yes, the man is an accomplice.

Ideally I would keep abortion legal and free. Let's face it, it is not as though the "no choicers' really care about life anyway. I mean you support wars, the death penalty, contraception etc.

 

You cannot punish men for getting a woman pregnant by castrating them. It takes two to tango, remember.

 

Oh, yes. He would be attacking a woman. A person with rights.

You seem to forget that.

 

How so? I do not follow.

 

You know the risks.

If you have sex be prepared for the consequences. Double up your protection and wear a condom.

Or better yet, if you don't want kids, do the gene pool a favor and get yourself snipped.

 

Ultimately, I would say no you dont have the right to tell to get one or not. Her body her decision. Nothing wrong with discussing the option though.

I do think there should be legal means for the man to not have to pay child support if his tdma refuses to get an abortion, but only if he can prove he's financially incapable of taking care of the child and himself.

 

I'm about equality, but in that I think a man should have no say over a woman's body, and the woman should have no say over the man's wallet.

It would work like this.

Woman is pregnant.

Woman is free to get abortion or continue pregnancy.

If woman continues pregnancy, she may notify man.

Man has short amount of time to accept or decline paternity.

If he accepts, he's the daddy, with all the responsibilities. If he declines, he's nobody. He has no more claim/interest in the kid than any other random male.

These rules would only hold for single people. Marriage is a different case, as by marrying the woman, the man agrees to an implicit contract to accept paternity.

 

Wouldn't that discourage men from choosing marriage? Who's going to pay for the abortion?