If it's not fraud, why does it look so much like fraud?

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  1. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    This is a little long but a real eye opener with regards to the election. I want to preface it by reminding everyone that there was a cabal comprised of the FBI and the CIA that actively spied on President Trump even before he was elected and concocted a false narrative that the president’s campaign colluded with Russia to to influence the 2016 election. Even after being exposed the Democrats clung to the Russian hoax in an attempt to color everything Trump did that they disagreed with. Early on the president naively allowed Obama hires to remain in positions where they wasted no opportunities to try to damage the Trump administration. America was shocked by these revelations of these very unAmerican activities, apparently this sort of thing continues and it's much, much worse.

    On November 12, the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Executive Committees issued a joint statement in which they sought to assure voters of the integrity of the election. CISA is an agency of the Department of Homeland Security. The GCC is a “team working under the aegis” of CISA.

    The statement began, “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.” It also said, “there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

    Because CISA and GCC are part of DHS, Democrats and some Republicans now point to this statement as proof that no fraud occurred and that Trump should now concede the race to former Vice President Joe Biden.

    A deeper look at anti-Trumper Christopher Krebs, the Director of CISA, and the individual responsible for issuing the election security statement, tells us that all may not be as it seems.
    After releasing this statement, Krebs told the press that he expected to be fired and Trump did not disappoint.

    What the agency failed to disclose, however, is that Dominion is a member of CISA’s Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council, one of two entities that authored the statement put out by CISA. In addition, Smartmatic, a separate voting machine company that has been the subject of additional concerns, is another member.

    Exactly one year ago, The Hill reported that CISA announced they “would partner with election officials and private sector groups to develop an election auditing tool that can be used to help ensure the accuracy of votes in 2020.” They would be “partnering with non-profit group VotingWorks on an open-source software tool known as Arlo, which is provided to state and local election officials for free.”

    The Hill piece cites a quote from a statement made by CISA Director Christopher Krebs. “Heading into 2020, we’re exploring all possible ways that we can support state and local election officials while also ensuring that Americans across the country can confidently cast their votes.”

    Who is VotingWorks?
    Independent journalist Kyle Becker tells us. “An election auditing firm used in swing states with ties to MAJOR left-wing groups.” “In April 2020, responding to the COVID pandemic, VotingWorks announced it would be providing technological assistance to states and local jurisdictions seeking to scale up voting by mail opportunities.

    “VotingWorks was created within and incubated by the left-leaning Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT). CDT’s major donors include large left of center foundations, including George Soros’ Foundation to Promote Open Society, the Ford Foundation and the MacArthur Foundation.”

    You’re the DHS. I don’t want money from right or left-leaning groups in a vote auditing system. Conservative, liberal, whatever. There should be no partisanship at all. Vote auditing should be about vote auditing.
    Why are we partnering with people from left leaning groups, no less funded by a known liberal billionaire who has funded liberal causes all around the country?
    Did you ever think for a moment that that would cause a bit of skepticism?
    We live in the greatest country on earth and we are rapidly descending into third world republic status.

    It’s pretty clear that Biden plans to load up on all sorts bad actors in his administration. If Biden and Co. prevail in stealing this election, America, our America, will cease to exist as described in our beloved charter and we will never, ever, get it back.
     
  2. Capt Nice

    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

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    It might not be the America you want but by god it's the America most American's want., and it always has been.
     
  3. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Well-Known Member

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    Krebs was appointed by trump. DUH!

    Georgia uses Dominion machines. The hand count of paper ballots produced by the machine and given to the voters to be turned in, matched the electronic count almost exactly. In short, fraud was ruled out beyond a doubt. Because they have both paper and electronic counts to compare, fraud is not possible.

    So everything you just argued is total crap. QED.
     
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  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "If it's not fraud, why does it look so much like fraud?"


    cause we did not expect Trump to get so many minority votes in Florida, so it looks like Fraud

    sure, no evidence of it, but does that matter to the right? we can say it is fraud anyways, Biden should have won Florida :)

    I think Trump used Dominion voting machines to pull it off

    </end sarcasm>
     
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    CISA was created in 2018 under Dirty Donald who was there when Krebs was appointed to head it. Dirty Donald fired him for being truthful, unlike him??
     
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    That is a question you really should resolve, G&C. Why does reality not look like reality to you? Serious stuff. Unless you're just playin'.
     
  7. Capt Nice

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    Two reasons; he believes trump and FOX. The rest of the world is lying.
     
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    The America you know is gone.

    Liberals have destroyed it and the sooner you accept that the easier it becomes.

    We are on our way to 3rd world status so take care of yourself until they drop the hammer and we live in their totalitarian state.

    And get a sun tan, the whiter you are the more persecuted you will be.

    I am changing my name to Maria Gomez.
     
  9. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    unless Biden can reverse the damage Trump has done your right, with the virus crisis and the economic crash looming, can we recover... probably not... but let's all wish him luck
     
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    Have to amend your statement. It's the America most people think is better than the worst option. Our election system need A LOT of work.
     
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    You mean where you don't have universal healthcare, decent education system, a decent living wage, environmental protection etc....? Is that where you're heading?
     
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    There you go again. The Right caused the virus and the economic woes? Far more people died in Left leaning states. The right didn’t riot all over the country. Kill innocent people over BLM lies. Burn and loot businesses. Create CHAZ. Right controlled states didn’t shut down their economies like Left leaning states have. Good god, stop already. It’s a mental disease at this point. Seek help.
     
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    Trump mishandled the virus and the economy... Trump did not do much but play golf and incite division

    it will be ok...

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  14. Spooky

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    This will be the lefts talking point for the next 4 years, Trump caused the virus.

    I am tired of hearing it already but they will hammer it home until people start to believe it.

    In the end Biden's complete failure will be dumped on Trump's virus and the left will consider Biden a savior because it could be worse.

    It's boring and predictable.
     
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    yes, because they are Trump's doing
     
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    The answer to the thread is that it doesn't look like fraud. It looks like an election where one side made a string of baseless claims of fraud, not one of which has been proved. Worse, tens of millions of people living in an giant echo chamber and devoted to the Dear Leader with an almost fanatical zeal decided to believe a bunch of half truths & outright lies rather than accept reality.

    It doesn't look like fraud, but it does look like a cult.
     
  17. HonestJoe

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    A couple of questions;

    Did you author the blog this has been copy-pasted from or are you just presenting someone else's words without credit or reference?

    And exactly which part of the OP do you think makes reference to anything that "looks like fraud"?
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...they just tried to stage a coup to keep the loser trump in office.
    Isn’t that called treason?
     
  19. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Well-Known Member

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    Why does it look like fraud?
    Because of this,


    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Joseph Goebbels

    Trump is the state in this instance and he has been lying about voter fraud since before he became President, he has maintained that lie all through his office, never providing proof at any time, I have no doubt there will be many honest and decent Americans who will continue to believe him, simply because of the enormity of the lie. Maybe it is easier to see this from a distance when you do not have a dog in the fight.
     
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    LOL, clean up you own sh&t before you accuse others of crimes. I'd start by not plagiarising, because that can get you a court date.

    In any case, the reason why the election looks like fraud to you is because you are fully immersed in the RW echo chamber, where "alternative facts" rule.
     
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    I'm telling you, I'd go MGTOW if I didn't like my wife so much.
    This seems to be pretty much the beginning of the end.



    Enjoy the decline, look out for yourself. As US policy is meant to sell out the nation and turn it into an authoritarian 3rd world hell hole? Fight to be one that benefits from the tyranny and exploitation to come.

    There is too much to fight against for normal Americans.
    A complicit international corporate media and tech giants;
    An education system meant to indoctrinate the young;
    The acceptance of massive, election swinging voter fraud by our courts and leaders;
    Big money interests that would hollow out the US economy in favor of China, where they don't have to worry about OSHA, human rights, diversity, etc. Low wage exploitation is the future that will benefit the international oligarchs while most of the rest of us live in crushing poverty.

    I am despondent. I'll try to avoid news until Mid-December when this thing will have been decided one way or another.
     
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  22. truth and justice

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    So in conclusion Trump did not make America great again. Good job someone more competent will be taking over in a couple of months
     
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    It only looks like fraud to people who've been brainwashed by Trump. Hopefully these people will one day wake and realize how silly they looked and learn from it
     
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    Are you claiming there is not one person on the face of this earth who believes it looks like fraud who has not been brainwashed by Trump? Are you prepared to provide proof of that statement?
     
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    And what I keep trying to remind people: it isn't up to critics to prove wide spread voter fraud: it is up to those that introduced a whole new Presidential Election system to prove to us it is sound. They cannot because it isn't.
     
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