If it's not fraud, why does it look so much like fraud?

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  1. ECA

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    But what is your evidence that the election system isn't sound? Surely you have enough evidence to prove your claim, right?
     
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    Fun video of experts explaining how easy these systems are to hack...



    We need in person, paper ballots, photo voter ID required.
     
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    Especially since all of the swing states were swung by those mail-in ballots. It was a brilliant and corrupt by the Democrats and it paid off.
     
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  5. ECA

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    Explaining how easy it could be isn’t evidence that any system was actually hacked. Do you have any evidence any system was actually hacked?
     
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    Hey, if it was so easy to hack, why didn't Trump's people hack it? Are they not bright enough? Or are they too honest? Well, I think it is safe to say that we can exclude the second option.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...you really don’t know much about the US legal system, do you?
    You have to prove someone’s guilt in court. The accused doesn’t have to prove his innocence.
     
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    And here I thought that was something grown adults should know.
     
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    The issue for them is that Biden's not Obama. That message wore out in 2 years with Obama, with Biden it'll wear out in about 5 months. Maybe not amongst their crowd, but independents who voted Democrat this cycle will say to themselves: "Wait a minute, new boss same as the old boss"

    I actually think with the hyperbole gone(as well as the lack of any actual real meaningful progress) the hype that has artificially inflated the 2008-2020 races will go back down to earth.

    (which of course Democrats will accuse of voter fraud.) The truth is, fewer and fewer Americans have an incentive to vote if the system doesn't work. And no, our European friends: The second we get a mandatory voting system is the moment the government gets a major pushback.

    It was already bad enough to have the individual mandate, imagine mandating an action such as voting.
     
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    Something to ponder. Biden has 19 million Twitter followers but got 80 million votes. Trump has 90 million followers and got 76 million votes. Certainly seems to me like there was very little interest in Biden and there still isn't. 60 million people who don't care enough about Biden to follow him on Twitter came out and voted for him???? Really?
     
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    I remember when my daughter was 12 yrs old going on and on about how important it was to her and her friends to get 'likes' and followers. Hmmm
     
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    Now you are getting it. I don't need actual evidence of hacking. That is what I am writing.

    This is a new voting technology and procedure. It is un-secure. I do not acknowledge it a legitimate manner with which to collect and count votes.

    Put a bowl on your head, stick your finger in the air and declare that your new cerebro device assures you Biden won! Prove your brainwave power didn't work? Absurd. You need to show me this worked. And you cannot as it didn't.
    Can I simply prove that I, as a lawful voter, did not receive protection in an election, from voter fraud?
    I think Trump's team just has to show how vulnerable the system is.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    I think Trump's voters tend to be conservatives with something to lose.
    If you are someone with nothing, you've got nothing to lose. That sounds more like a Biden voter to me.
     
  14. ECA

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    Yes, yes you actually DO need to prove your case that it is un-secure. Just saying it is doesn't make it so.
     
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    I did post a video of people doing just that. I'm sure Trump's team can do likewise. Though the more I think of it, he'll likely only attack those votes he can prove were reversed the the few thousand referenced in the 1st story of which I'd heard about with Dominion. The rest, if I recall correctly, still would show a Trump win. The 14th Amendment will have to be brought in with regards to mail in ballots only. Once they are all thrown out, I think Trump has it.
     
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    It only "looks" that way to people with wild imaginations and who think that their feelings are more important than facts.
     
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    If the people making these claims were intellectually honest, then yes, it would be up to them to prove their accusations. Shifting the burden of proof just because you can't satisfy it is just plain sad.

    We can't "prove" anything to you if your opinion is already based on feelings and not informed by proof to begin with.
     
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    Most Americans don't even use Twitter. I also suspect lots of Twitter users follow neither or both of them and lots of people who follow either (and certainly both) don't necessarily support or would vote for them. It's like the political rally attendance canard. While it's clear that Trump was very good at stirring up his core supporters to attend rallies or post on social media, it takes a much wider range of votes to win an actual election and it seems that a lot more middle-ground people voted for Biden despite not being rabid supporters, maybe because they felt he was the least worst of two bad choices or they dislike Trump more than they dislike Biden.
     
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    Nope. You showed a video showing that it could be possible. That isn't proof that it actually happened. Therein lies the difference. I think it's cute you think Trump is going to win.
     
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    Exactly, but I would add bullet proof security. Why is it so unpalatable to the left to have uncorrupted elections??? Their way reminds me of the mafia.
     
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    Are you one of those 12 year olds who boast that they have 2758 friends on Facebook?
     
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    Certainly appears to be the case.
     
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    OK, so, possible. Can I then show an instance of it, in fact, happening, declare the whole thing unConstitutionally insecure, and then get all the mail in votes thrown out? I'd think I can. Will it happen?
    You cannot fight city hall. Democracy is an experiment that isn't supposed to necessarily work out.
    Trump was attacked by so many power centers I'm exhausted listing.
    Biden was protected by the powerful. His scandals, covered up by the legacy corporate media.
    Biden can be an open political whore, selling us out to foreign powers and those pointing it out are silenced. When he isn't publicly sniffing little girls, he's showing signs if senility.
    Will Trump win? I doubt it. But sometimes justice will out.
     
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    Everytime someone complains about the deep state, this meme pops up in my head.

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    For the 37th time since this all started....I'll ask again...show us the evidence of widespread voter fraud.
     
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