If "Our Creator" endowed us with rights...

You aren't born with any rights.

 

If you'd slow down for one second, you'd realize I am not arguing for or against the existence of these rights. That is another topic.


My argument is that "endowed by their creator" is a colloquialism. It means born with. Arguing against the existence of God has zero bearing on the existence of inalienable rights.

 

I arguing there is no evidence of born-with rights. It sounds like you agree. We don't have a right to healthcare and don't have a right to bear arms. In my opinions these are just proposed social contract that some argue are beneficial for society.

 

In the mind of the collectivist, rights can only be dispensed by "government".

 

I haven't really made the argument either way.

Of course we predicated granting powers to government upon the notion of inalienable rights, and only granted government the powers spelled out in the constitution.
It has never granted us any rights.

 

We also have the power of the vote.

Although the vote has done nothing to undo the Patriot Act.
The system is pretty well gamed to not give power back once We The People yield the power to the gov't.

 

We say things like "new normal" and government giggles, preparing for the next new normal

 

Our gov't is citizens. Its suppose to be.
We elect them from among us.

So the right to bear arms describes a gov't power? Our freedom of speech and religions is power granted to the gov't?

 

If humans are born with them, then every human would have them.
That is not the case.

And no one can say which creator. So there are 100s or more creators.

 

Younger generations grow up with the new normal so it is normal to them.

 

Definition of endow


transitive verb

1: to furnish with an incomeespecially : to make a grant of money providing for the continuing support or maintenance ofendow a hospital
2: to furnish with a dower
3: to provide with something freely or naturally
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/endow

#3 seems to fit best.
to provide.
Does not equal born with.

 

That would be factual. To civil countries. Although gov't isn't required. But an enforcing mechanism is a requirement.

Other wise rights are dispensed by the strongest or sometimes smartest.

 

The creator was suppose to mean yo Ma and Pa....

 

That boy has the gift of music.
Does that mean someone gave it to him?

Colloquialism not literalism

 

You don't like definitions?

No one is born with any rights. They have to be earned or given. Period.


All sorts of people are born with special talents. But not every human.

 

Here's one:

Definition of figurative


1a: representing by a figure or resemblance : EMBLEMATIC the figurative dove of peace
b: of or relating to representation of form or figure in artfigurative sculpture
2a: expressing one thing in terms normally denoting another with which it may be regarded as analogous : METAPHORICALfigurative languagein a figurative sense, civilization marches up and down— Lewis Mumford
b: characterized by figures of speecha figurative description

 

Because my rights come from God, I can morally and legally resist when government infringes upon them. There are enough that believe as I do we can carry that out. God's laws are higher than man's laws. If atheists feel they are stronger, let them try.

 

More like sets limitations on the Gov.

 

Your point?
Has nothing to do with creator or endowed. Which is your entire premise.

 

Can you name those laws?

Anyway, this thread is about rights, not laws.
Your point is soooo weak, you need to show with some kind of threat. Fail.
Unless your threat is actually to prove might makes right. Which is my main pont on rights. Without an enforcing mechanism, gov't typically, might makes right is the only rights one can have.

 

Yes I most definitely can and they are summed up in two.......but you are right, this thread is about rights , not laws. My point is only weak to the weak minded. I threaten nobody unless threatened.

 

Sounds like the thoughts of a Viking!!

 

Explain your laws sentence.

 

When you gonna put up and post those god given rights?
They must be in the bible.

 

you said it yourself....this is about rights, not laws. You can look them up for yourself and then mock alone somewhere.