If race realism is real, then blacks only have one choice

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  1. Thanos36

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    Race realism has presented damning evidence about the intellect or lack thereof when it pertains to black people. They have found undeniably (allegedly) proof concerning the how much how blacks are not only outpaced intellectually by whites, but every other race that exists on earth. This reality cannot be changed, and blacks are determined to fall behind intellectually. Some reports even show blacks reaching nigh mental retardation. So with this as a reality, what can/should blacks do as a response.

    As a black person who does not have a low IQ, I can only offer the following as a solution. If whites are better than blacks. Then blacks need to play God. And design a species superior not only to whites, but to all of humankind. As we are seeing real innovations in generic manipulation, nanotechnology, and artificial intelligence. Blacks should control our own fate by designing the successors to mankind. That way if a mechanic species inherit the earth, blacks will be near Gods to such people.

    Now one has to ask about the feasibility of a possible mechanical species. As someone who has taken an interest in AI his entire life, we already know that there are quite a few limitations to a computers ability to reason in the manner humans do. For one a computer lacks motor functions, and seem to be able to really simulate intellegence based on a finite amount of data. A computer lacks the ability to sense the world around them, and also lacks the ability to label what it "sees" without a data scienctist training it. And even with that, it appears that the hardware hasn't caught up.

    This is where Africa critical. As we start to understand more and more the hardware and scalability requirements needed to build a truly automonous system that has the ability to outperform humans at anything. We will see that resources to build such machines will have to come from Africa. This is a golden opportunity for Africa to horde it's resources and build this possible mechanical species themselves. Black people could possibly take lead in the AI arms race that we will be dealing with for the remainder of this century.
     
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    1. You've posted about this many times before and have stated you don't believe in the average IQ differential. Changed your mind?

    2. You've started threads on this exact topic many times. Why?

    3. Wakanda should lead this genetic engineering and AI research.
     
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    Why such snide remarks? Africa does have the resources to build computationally demanding machines. I believe carbon nanotubes are needed as a core component to molecular computering (which will be needed to build a mechanical species). So I believe it becomes a question of raw materials. I still think Africa stays in the equation because mass production has to happen at some point. Biomolecular computation models are still in it's infancy. To me, I'm just taking race realism to it's only logical conclusion. The only choice is to hav a species that suprpasses all humans intellectually. And if blacks fall behind, then they are the only ones incentivized to build this.

    Keep in mind blacks do not have to lead in AI research. As AI becomes comoditized, building such a thing just take some minimal level of intellect because there will presumably better abstraction than what exists today
     
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    Were my comments "snide?" It's a fair point and on reflection, I'll cop to it. As for the reason, it seems that you seldom push the conversation beyond your view of "race realism." To me, it seems that you've created multiple threads rehashing the same subject, over and over again. Whether looking for comments to clarify the subject in your mind, or for some other reason, I don't know.

    To the broader topic, although you may be able to genetically engineer a new and improved human being that is superior to the current model:

    1. What does that have to do with blacks specifically?

    2. How does that provide any advantage to AI? There is no genetic tinkering that is going to produce intelligences greater than what artificial intelligences may provide.
     
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    It has to with blacks because blacks are the only people who are incentivized to build something superior to human beings. This is not genetic manipulation. It has nothing to do with altering the genes of existing humans. It is building a completely mechanical, self-sustaining species that does not have the physical computational limits seen in the human brain. This would mean that such a species would have to have some sort of mechanical brain, presumably build from some sort of neural network. But black people are the only ones who would ever have a use case to build a mechanical species.


    It is important that you don't just build an improved human. Because such human may have the limitations of being a buman being. That means a limit to the ability to reason or think as fast as an AI model. Also misunderstand me. This is an endorsement of AI, not a dismissal of it.
     
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    OK so you are basically talking about building some sort of android? I still don't get why that would be a specific interest of blacks.
     
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    If blacks fall behind and are dead last, then they would have more of a need to build this to out compete everyone else.
     
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    Get right to work on it. I applaud you for wanting blacks to be smarter.
     
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    Lol - Wakanda

    It's largely the desire for an ego boost that causes one group to need to feel better than another in some way. So they push repetitive, petty nonsense that's not worth validating.

     
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    There is zero evidence that IQ is determined by genetics. There is only evidence of difference.
     
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    This is not about making blacks smarter.
     
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    This thread is not about proving if race realism is real. It's is about discussing the implications of it if it were real
     
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    If it were real, there are probably better options than android building.
     
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    And what would those options be?
     
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    Different answers for Africa and diaspora Blacks, but to start with, ending the brain drain of the best, brightest, and most educated from taking their talents to the white West. Your nation can never get off the ground if all of your doctors, scientists, and engineers high tail it to another country. For the US, the most useful reform would be tracked education, which the US used to kind of do, but it's more common in Europe. If you don't have what it takes to be a coder, you can be tracked into training for air conditioner repair or something. That would benefit everyone, not just blacks.

    and that's more realistic than building androids.
     
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    So essentially give people no choice. Decide for them what they're good at. They do that to some degree in Indian companies. But that's not going to scale well in the future.

    The idea is this simple conceptually. When whites came to America, they didn't habe to be superior fighters or marksmen with the bow and arrow to overcome the natives. That's becauae they had guns.

    Similarly if blacks want to compete with whites. They may not need to be smarter. They just need to build an AI that whitr peoole couldn't possibly compete against
     
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    Give people no choice? I'm not clear on what you mean. You mean about immigration or schooling?
     
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    IF it were real. And since it isn't, any speculation is just that.
     
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    Right now Africa faces the horrors of HIV / AIDS and how this crisis has affected countless young lives and orphans resulting from the deaths of both parents in many families.

    Rather than develop Artificial Intelligence, develop young minds and educate them as Physicians and Scientists and future A.I. developers.

    Invest in Children as they are the future.
     
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    Bwa ha ha ha ha, send 'em to schools to be shot like we do?
     
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    Perhaps as you do.
    You are not quite right.
     
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    Our society is what it is.
     
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    Because no one cares the US and the West seem to get the educated and at least committed hard working Africans whose children will likely be educated and more skillful Middle Class people, the rabble we don't need.
     
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    I don't think they are below the norm when it comes to intelligence. Maybe because they have kept their DNA genes within their 'race', they are more on the purely homogenous as a group than heterogeneous which could be a reason why their learning is still focussing on the kinds of things which their blood can be traced back to and not so much towards things which don't really apply to their blood race.

    Maybe that's why they can understand things like Kwanzaa pretty easily and even get deeply understanding of it and even communicating about it but might have a more difficult time with others.

    Proverbs 14:10
    "The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy."


    So if you think about it, the U.S.' 'indigenous' races would be Native Americans, Europeans, Mexicans, Africans, and Hawaiians, since Hawaii became part of the U.S.

    The Hispanics of the other hispaniola (?) and Asians and others would be more of the immigrants and not the indigenous, or so I would think until further evidences.

    Maybe 5 indigenous races of The U.S?

    Of course I might not have included some others due to my lack of knowledge and if I did, I apologize.


    240 years, or so, after The Declaration of Independance, the U.S. has come from a population of a few million to a population of over 325 million AND the Global population has come to over 7.3 Billion and is expected to exceed 11 billion in 82 years' time.

    Most adults of today will probably not be here to see that population of people with their daily living routine.


    Most importantly, remember what IS Written in The Holy Bible.

    Proverbs 29:18
    "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."


    Of course this admonition is given to The Jews but the Princes of The Gentiles can learn from God's knowledge also.

    Matthew 20:25
    "But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them."

    (Why? To keep Law and Order.)

    No prince ever desires to be deposed and rulers have a hard time letting go of their presidential term. The best way for them to remain in rule is to know that The LORD of Lords is The ONE that sets up and brings down. Princes and rulers basically work for THE LORD of Heaven and Earth.


    There are many lords but only 1 Lord over them all. The Lord of lords.

    It's not a scary thing if your intention is to aid life.

    In fact, it's a joyful thing if your intention and desire is for the good towards all living...

    "...but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."
    - Proverbs 29:18
     
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