if shtf, 90+% of your shooting better be done with a silenced .22

Ha, my best shot was at less than 15 feet with a 375 H&H.

 

Hard too miss at 15 ft. Were you hunting or shooting paper? .375 H&H is great for big game, I like my .45-70 guide gun in in Alaska bear country with a .454 Casull for back-up. I picked up a Drilling at an estate sale in Central Texas that is .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, 10 gauge...I really have no use for it but at less than$500, I just couldn't let it go.

 

A PAC Hippo on the Zambezi flood plain. Saw him early morning on land in high grass, he was late getting into the water. Popped him in the boiler room straightaway. He went down like a ton of bricks and then got up and came at me, all 2000 kilos of him at 20mph. Brained him with my last and 6th shot. The big bastard fell at my feet. Luckily I pushed all 5 rounds in the Mauser magazine down and hung an extra 6th cartridge on the extractor. My mate hit him 4 times with a 416 Remington as well. I changed to a 458 Lott shortly thereafter.

 

Too close for comfort for me, I've designed my own 12 gauge bear round as a non-lethal way to deter them...Have yet to have to use it but it does good damage on a 3d target. I load a low power shotgun shell with porcupine quills, shot in the face, it's probably extremely painful for the bear, but better than killing it if I don't have to.

 

Curious logic, that someone hearing a firearm makes them charge that location. However, "survival situation" can mean 1001 different things, can't it? It is possible in a "survival situation" you WANT to be heard.

In short, the terminology is wrong. Rather, in a "hiding situation" a loud firearm is a contradiction. "Survival" does not automatically mean "hiding."

 

Curious how no one figures to "bug out" to blue water (ocean). A lot of water out there and a lot of food under there. In certain areas, there also are a lot of tiny islands ideal for hiding and with a virtual endless supply of food.

 

That's rather bizarre, don't you think?

Bears generally have the lion trait in that they don't flee pain, they attack it. Shooting a bear in the face with quills is REALLY going to make it unhappy with you.

 

Fishing poles and underwater spearing is very quiet.

 

So your view is that you would shoot anyone who tries to move or go past the barricade?

Some people watch too many Mad Max type movies. In urban areas I do not believe there would be roving gangs, but more likely vigilante squads - law enforcement and civilian. The likely rule of thumb would be looters are shot on sight and justice for offenses would tend to be summary. I don't think urban areas would become lawless, but rather hyper law enforced.

It seems many believe that if society became dystopian then murdering people because they are coming into your area somehow just becomes ok. Where'd that come from???

What I am not reading is "if chaos broke out, how I would try to help other people is..." Rather, there is a deadly "everyone for himself," "become a hermit hiding from everyone" and "kill anyone coming your way."

 

That would be a very unusual drilling especially using two large bore rimless cartridges and a 10 gauge. Heavy as well.

 

This is a Krieghoff, the daughter of the widow said it was a custom order back in the 30's. I went to this sale with the idea that I would be purchasing a Winchester model 71, at the time it was the last Winchester lever action model that I did not own. The 71 went for almost twice what it was worth. Most of the gun guys had left after the modern and more mainstream firearms were sold, I hung around to see what the customs were going to go for. I ended up buying two drillings at this auction, I didn't have the money to purchase the Vierling, though I did want it. This guys collection was amazing, he had a full set of matching serial number Browning Renaissance pistols...If you are a firearm nut, many of his pieces belonged in a museum. If I had a couple hundred grand, I don't think I could have bought everything I wanted.

Anyway, The Krieghoff was a special order, it weighs almost 16 lbs, triple exposed hammers, three 26" barrels. I believe they are Damascus but I have never had it tested, I also will never refinish. This does have some factory engraving though nothing special. This is also a firearm that I have only took to the range once, and it still kicks like a mule even with the weight.

 

Depending upon the circumstances, would be what was warranted. If this is a quarantine type situation with a deadly outbreak, then yes I am not taking chances of becoming infected. If it was a case of civil unrest, then I am making sure my family is safe and protecting them. if it is a case of foreign invader I am still making sure my family is safe first before helping the local militia.

Most people call us preppers paranoid, paramilitary style nutcases. Helping other people is fine, you may find your compassion severely tested. I've been in 39 countries around the world, and human nature is still human nature. I hope you never have to learn it the hard way.

 

Yep a hard rains gonna fall and most of us old people will probably get 'wet'.

Plus this day and time nowhere to hide anyway " DRONES, SATELITES".

 

I tried bow and arrow and all I got was a huge whelp on my arm! Plus being a old woman not as strong.

 

Communities are even more so, a couple people can't hold off a gang of desparados.

 

Try a crossbow, deadly but silent. The pope once tried to outlaw this weapon.

 

I hope you had a spare set of drawers on you Hippos are friggin vicious.

 

Your avatar matches your comment and contradictory to hundreds of years of conventional wisdom.
Hunters living off the land have survived by means of firearms, however, a tenderfoot has no notion of such things.

 

As bad as being run over by a hurtling full size Dodge Ram 3500 Diesel Cummins / Allison Truck...
lol

 

Tripe & ineffable Twaddle

 

Most "survivalist" guides are pure science fiction written by people with more imagination than real experience

 

Ahhh, You are so right !
I agree !

 

Worse! Trucks don't chew!

 

You need a firearm, but also you should be able to take the protein you need from the environment without expending precious ammunition.

There is no life without death. A human being must kill or pay another to do the killing for him/her.

 

Do not forget your muzzle loader black powder firearms and learn to make black powder as well as urine conversion into nitrates.

Purists with good cause hate them, but those inexpensive in line muzzle loading rifles that use a shotgun primer, outfitted with sabot projectiles, and modern stable black powder or black powder substitutes....

1:24 twist, .50 caliber sabot rounds.