If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know this might get me in trouble with The Powers That Be (I don't know for sure). But this is a forum for adults. And this needs to be said. Things are not going to change unless we start saying the truth out loud and in public.

    I keep hearing anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers repeating the same argument: "It's my decision if I want to take the risk". Please understand once and for all...

    Nobody gives a crap if somebody who refuses the vaccine dies!

    You have a right to do whatever the hell you want with yourself. But that right does not extend to putting the life of others in jeopardy. There are children who can't get the shot. There are people with allergies. And there are many many people (more than we once believed) that are simply unable to develop the necessary anti-bodies. If you want to kill yourself, I don't care. But choose some way that is safer for others.

    Those who refuse to wear masks are often also unvaccinated. So they are putting the life of others at risk. There is NO right to infect others. Not in the Constitution, not in the laws, and not in a world where basic human moral standards exist.

    The only usefulness of people who refuse the vaccine and die is that they serve as an example.

    I know I know... ALL human life is precious. But every time an unvaccinated person dies, we hear of people who knew them who change their minds and decide to take the shot. Smart move! And, more importantly, they are unlikely to ever infect others. So the unvaccinated who die are at least useful as a vaccination campaign.

    There are only facts in this post. It would be sad if this forum chose to delete facts, while at the same time allowing Covid disinformation to run rampant.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    How can you infect somebody else if you don't have the phantom virus?

    Superstition and fear reign supreme here in the land of the Cult of The Poisoned Mind.
     
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    Well you left some facts out like the vaccinated can still catch and spread Covid and even die.

    You left out the fact that the vaccine can also injure or kill you.

    You also left out the fact that vaccinated or not you can’t spread Covid unless you are infected.

    You also left out the fact that the survival rate is something like 99.9%.

    I do see how all the fear porn has affected quite a few.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't know what "the phantom virus" is, so I am unable to answer your question.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I didn't leave it out. But I addressed it in terms a bit more technical than that. Obviously too technical for you to realize that I was addressing it.
     
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    Funny how you still ignore other facts.
     
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    Anti-vaxxers ought to be put in camps. FEMA camps.

    They're already conspiracy theorists, so let's make a conspiracy theory come true for them and protect everyone else at the same time. :D
     
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    the real issue is those that do not get the vaccine are overloading the medical system

    99% of those in the hospital over covid are unvaccinated
     
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    Almost as supreme as ignorance.
     
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    I know this might get me in trouble with The Powers That Be (I don't know for sure). But this is a forum for adults. And this needs to be said. Things are not going to change unless we start saying the truth out loud and in public.

    I keep hearing overweight and obese repeating the same argument: "It's my decision if I want to take the risk". Please understand once and for all...

    Nobody gives a crap if somebody who is obese dies!

    You have a right to do whatever the hell you want with yourself. But that right does not extend to putting the life of others in jeopardy. There are children who can't avoid an obese person crashing into the car they are riding in. There are people with immune suppression that are susceptible to the skin infections the obese carry and spread. And there are many many people (morethan we once believed) that simply become obese themselves based on having a social relationship with an already obese person. If you want to kill yourself, I don't care. But choose some way that is safer for others.

    Those who are obese are often also diabetic. So they are putting the life of others at risk. There is NO right to infect/kill others. Not in the Constitution, not in the laws, and not in a world where basic human moral standards exist.

    The only usefulness of people who are obese and die is that they serve as an example.

    I know I know... ALL human life is precious. But every time an obese person dies, we hear of people who knew them who change their minds and decide to lose weight and get fit. Smart move! And, more importantly, they are unlikely to ever infect/accidentally kill others. So the obese who die are at least useful as a fitness campaign.

    There are only facts in this post. It would be sad if this forum chose to delete facts, while at the same time allowing Coviddisinformation to run rampant.
     
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    I really don’t care if these vaccinated whiners die so when that third dose comes out I’ll refuse to take it
     
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    Obesity is not an infectious disease. You not understanding the OP is no surprise, though.
     
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    You sure? Metaphorically you will die on a hill in this thread. Is this your chosen hill?
     
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    It could be argued that the vaccinated are creating a greater risk to the unvaccinated, than are the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. Yet, you put all the blame on the unvaccinated, and none on the vaccinated.

    In essence, the game was lost when it became known that the vaccinated themselves carry as much if not more viral load than do the unvaccinated, which makes everyone, including the vaccinated, a potential spreader of the virus. This is what you failed to acknowledge in your so-called "factual" post. And no, I'm not denying the obvious advantages of being vaccinated, but it doesn't mean that we aren't all swimming in the same contaminated waters, with each infecting the other.

    You should remember that, the next time you speak so callously of a human life lost.
     
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    What a racist post. I guess we should expect no less from the left tho. “Do as we say or else” we will put you away.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that obesity is not a transmissible disease. Maybe genetically... but, even for you, that would be a lame strawman.
     
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    The vaccinated have done the best they can to avoid spreading the disease. So they are not at fault. Not to mention the fact that getting infected by a person who is vaccinated is highly unlikely. Those who refuse to get vaccinated are the only ones at fault.

    And this thread is about the lame excuse they use, which you don't address. So I guess that means my point stands.
     
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    How do obese/diabetic folks putting the lives of others at risk?
     
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    Breakthrough infections are not as rare as you might think:

    Over 14K Vaccinated People With Breakthrough COVID Cases Have Been Hospitalized or Died

    https://www.newsweek.com/over-14k-v...vid-cases-have-been-hospitalized-died-1628508


     
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    I'm not talking about breakthrough infections. And you weren't either, until just now that you decided to move the goalposts (which completely undermines your case). I'm talking about them infecting others. That is extremely rare.
     
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    Let's talk about the evidence that the vaccine actually reduces the spread of the virus.

    We know those who are vaccinated can easily still get infected and harbor the infection (and spread the virus).
    They just supposedly get less sick, and are supposedly less likely to require going to the hospital.
     
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    That's a little bit of a half straw man.

    There are plenty who refuse to wear masks - or consistently wear masks - who are vaccinated - they got the vaccine because they thought they would no longer be required to wear the mask anymore - they were practically promised this by the media, early on.
    Then there are those who will not get the vaccine and believe this is mostly a bunch of BS, but still are willing to try to wear a mask out of respect for other people who believe the unvaccinated should wear masks in public places.

    Don't you believe it might be possible those who are choosing to consistently wear a mask are doing more to reduce the spread of the disease than those who are vaccinated and not wearing masks?
     
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    How would you know how rare it is? Did Rachel Maddow tell you?
     
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    But the people they infect have the vaccine.

    Sooooo...what now?
     
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    Superstition and fear basically rely on ignorance.
     
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