If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

No sir. What I have done is shown how absurd your thread is. You are cherry picking a demographic you want to control based on how you think they endanger others while completely ignoring another demographic that endangers others. You are concerned about vaccination but not about obese people shedding more virus during Covid infection, shedding for longer, and being more likely to be infected when vaccinated and unvaccinated. In short, your problem with the unvaccinated for Covid is illogical.

Everything I’ve posted is on topic. My first post was 90% your words.

 

I have no idea why you are obsessed with obesity. Not interested. This is about people who refuse to get the vaccine.

If you have a point to make about this topic, make it. If not... open your own thread. I have no interest in your attempts to derail this thread.

 

All vaccines help stop the spread. But I'm not going to waste my time explaining science to you. There are plenty of threads here that do that already. The point in this one is that refusing to take the vaccine is not about you. It's about the people you infect because you act irresponsibly. There is no "right" to infect other people with a deadly virus.

 

1- Because that's the only excuse that brain-dead governors like DeSantis use.
2- Because that's the topic of this thread.

If you have anything to say about the topic, go for it. Attempts to derail the thread will be ignored.

 

If there is 'no right to infect others with a deadly disease' then you must accept that people who have received the vaccine are just as culpable for 'infecting others with a deadly disease' as those who have not accepted the vaccine. Period. There is no argument to those basic, straight forward facts.

 

As predictable as the tides....then the ironic projection!

 

It's too obvious that people who don't get sick won't infect others for somebody to waste too much time on it. It would be like trying to find out how many people have been shot by somebody who doesn't have a weapon. Which, BTW, another right-winger (it might have been you, but not sure) once actually demanded studies about.

 

It's not about me. It's about the people mentioned on the OP. You are participating in a debate and you haven't even read the OP?

 

Are you sure the vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated? Isn’t that what the vaccine is supposed to do? Seems to me the unvaccinated need to be protected from the vaccinated.

 

But it is about you. If you feel the need to take the vaccine, nothing is stopping you. Same for wearing your mask, your goggles, kitchen gloves for driving your car, etc.. You do you.

 

Some of those unvaccinated indeed need to watch their backs...

 

As I said, there is no scientific basis for your claim.

 

Why isn't Biden requiring workers to wear masks?
Why the inconsistency?

I know that's a "different issue", but by looking at the inconsistencies is revealing.

 

I have problems with many demographics: gun fanatics, pseudoscience advocates (like you), racists, ... But I take on one demographic at a time. If you have a beef with some other demographic, open your own thread.

What a lame excuse for derailing a thread!

 

A spread is a spread, no matter where it comes from. Or do you really think that your viral spread is any different from someone else's viral spread? Surely you should know by now that the vaccinated carry as much viral load as those who are unvaccinated. So no amount of self-righteousness is going to make your spread any better than someone else's spread. We're all swimming in the same contaminated waters.

 

Your argument is so childish I'm not even sure if you're serious, or if you're just flamebating. But I'll bite and assume it's serious. A driver who follows all traffic laws gets into a traffic accident in which people die with a driver who was not following traffic laws. I don't know you. So for all I know you might be the smartest person on the planet (necessary disclaimer required to comply with forum rules), but your absurd, idiotic,... (words I can think of are not strong enough) "reasoning" (hate to call it that) is that they are both culpable.

So... that's that. If you were just flamebating, good for you... you got me. But there is no way to continue any sort of intelligent debate with arguments like those.

 

Remember this, you authoritarian supplicants...

 

Oh! Look! Another right winger who confuses policy with science.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but this thread is about people who think they have a "right" to infect others with a deadly disease. Spoiler alert: they don't!

And I guess the lack of arguments from those who think that they do makes my case.

 

You seem to be deflecting from the issue I raised.

The fact there's a big inconsistency between mask policy and vaccine policy proves this is not really just only all about trying to prevent infection.

Why not, for example, require that all workers who don't wear a mask be subject to weekly testing?
Why is Biden trying to force federal workers to have to be vaccinated but they don't have to wear a mask?

They are trying to force everyone to "get with the program" and create a one-size-fits-all solution for everyone. That's what this is about.

I think they know masks would prevent the spread of disease more than those vaccines. But half of society already got the vaccines and don't want to wear masks anymore.

It's hypocrisy.

 

It's not flame baiting You made a claim, I provided proof that it is intrinsically wrong.

Equating an auto accident to a virus is apples and oranges. If one were to drive a car, it has an inherent risk. The best of drivers can get into an accident, and someone dies. The two are not even comparable on the surface.

The morons, of both vaccinated and unvaccinated, who go about coughing on people are culpable. A person who is going about their business is not responsible because someone else gets sick - that old 'intent' thing that means so much to some.

If both are 'culpable' in your opinion, then the whole premise of your hate fest is more a display of baiting then anything I've written.

 

Is this true?

 

No, but there is a right to deciding what vaccines enter your body. That vaccine does not guarantee anything.

 

So are Governors now the thread topic? LOL

If all my my posts are about rights to spread deadly disease and now you claim that is the thread topic, how can I possibly derail the thread? Are you not aware the our public health institutions refer to obesity as a disease? Are you unaware obesity is deadly to obese individuals and others? Since you introduced the topic of deadly diseases why don’t you explain to PF why Covid is the only one you care about?

Your thread was toast the minute you failed to consider obese (and other demographics) are more of a public health threat than those unvaccinated for Covid. Your thread was toast the minute you failed to consider there are many other things people can do to prevent Covid transmission besides vaccination that are as effective or more effective.

 

The vaccine works! Except when it doesn't work. Like masks. But what happens when vaccinated people infect other vaccinated people? Do their lives matter?

 

No! You're deflecting from the OP. You are attempting to derail the thread. I have had too many threads closed by mods because right-wingers succeed in derailing them. If you have anything to say in favor of this "right" to infect other people that is the topic of this thread, go for it. If you want to discuss anything else, open your own thread. Point me to it. And, if I have something to comment about it, I'll comment about it.

It's not! It's about setting the best policy to get rid of the virus. Preventing infection is a path to accomplish that. But, again: different topic.

Look... I'm not saying it's not an interesting topic. It's just not the topic of this thread. That's all.

Open a thread and I'll show you that it's not hypocrisy. And it's more about you not understanding the difference between science and policy.