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If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by Golem, Sep 16, 2021.

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  1. Bowerbird

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    It is not the vaccinated filling ICU beds - a cost that YOU will pay
     
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    Can you please quote me EVER taking an anti vax position on PF? If not, we will all accept your concession that you are in fact a disingenuous poster.
     
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  3. Joe knows

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    If the Nazis targeted the unvaccinated like they targeted jews this is likely the way they would approach it.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, that's fair enough. But I'm just pointing out there are some seeming huge inconsistencies in your position, and I don't believe your claim that it really is just about trying to save lives.
     
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    Is that it? Is that the big cost? I could give two shits about the cost on tax dollars. The government we elected doesn't give a rats ass about my tax dollars. I was already getting ****ed.
     
    ToughTalk, Sep 17, 2021
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most of those in the hospital for Covid are elderly, or overweight, or have other underlying health conditions.

    If you're going to use force, why not only do so on the elderly and morbidly obese?
     
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  7. Joe knows

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    Not at all is even better. But I get your point
     
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    Because they don't want to single any groups out. They're trying to impose a one-size-fits-all solution on everybody.
     
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  9. Bowerbird

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    Hmmm ICU care starts at around $3000 per day - you work it out

    PS I have a thread on this
     
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    Not anymore - they are mostly now vaccinated so it is the younger unvaccinated who are needing care. Plus America is running out of ICU beds - bad news for anyone in a traffic accident or who needs urgent lifesaving surgery
     
    Bowerbird, Sep 17, 2021
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    My problem is the complication rate of these vaccines have not really been thoroughly investigated. That can only really take place from looking at the statistics.

    There are people getting heart inflammation who are not being counted in the complication rate statistics.

    Never before has a vaccine that has only been used for less than 2 years been forced on people.
     
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    Come on! They have been tested over the last six to ten years. Yes you read it right. The MRNA a vaccines were initially developed as a cancer vaccine. But if you have such an issue why not get a non-mRNA vaccine? J&J is a viral vector vaccine and we have been using THEM since the 1970s
     
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    But not on actual people, and/or not this specific vaccine.

    The previous experimental precursor mRNA vaccines were only used on very small groups of people, and did not specifically produce the same spike protein.
     
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    The first adenovirus vector vaccine approved/licensed by the FDA was approved in 2019. It’s dishonesty like this that harms vaccine acceptance.
     
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    Yes on actual people

    https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-i...hings-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccine-safety
    But again why not just take a NON
    - MRNA vaccine?
     
    Bowerbird, Sep 17, 2021
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    99% are unvaccinated
     
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    I gave up on tax dollars when we voted in an administration that was hell bent on flooding our social services with illegal migrant democrat voters from the southern border.

    Like it or not our health care service was gonna get ****ed.
     
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    Not every word a poster uses in a thread "magically" becomes the topic of the thread. Nor does it give you license to derail when you run out of arguments.

    Also, "the topic of this thread" isn't the topic of this thread either. The topic is ALWAYS set by the OP. And nothing else.

    So, for the last time: either debate the topic, or desist on your pathetic attempts to derail it.
     
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    I understand that you consider the Nazis smart. I disagree. And I'm sure you would be the expert on how Nazis would target something. But that's not the topic of this thread.

    If you have no way of countering the arguments on the OP, don't comment. It's against forum rules to change the topic to one you are more familiar with.
     
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    As many of my once gung-ho "NON-VACCINE" (and let's FINALLY call it WHAT IT IS) acquaintances AGREE..."Third dose? NO WAY IN HELL!". THEIR words verbatim, not mine.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Of course it's not just about trying to save lives. It's also, for example, about trying to save the economy. Which will continue to suffer until we get rid of the pandemic. And neither of those is the main topic anyway. The main topic is this fabricated "right" to infect others with a deadly disease.

    BTW, pointing out that "there are some seeming huge inconsistencies" is not the same as pointing out what those "inconsistencies" supposedly are. IF these so-called "inconsistencies" have anything to do with the point on the OP, I would like to know what they are. If they don't, then they are irrelevant to this thread.
     
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    Well, ONE benefit of Covid.....it lured the Nazis wannabes among us from under their rocks into the bright light of day...and like good Nazis they revel, nay, GLOAT AND CROW over their plans for the "Untermensch" if given the opportunity! Thanks Covid, we needed the WAKE UP call!
     
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    At this point it has NOTHING to do with "honesty and integrity" but EVERYTHING to do with WINNING a chicken-sh*t debate...:nod:
     
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    Well said! Not to mention those who play the old "cost to society" game often find it backfiring on them. :D
     
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