if your child is raped at school .....

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Rampart, Oct 14, 2021.

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who is responsible for punishing rapists?

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  2. a teacher

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  3. the proncipal

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  4. the school board

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  5. the uk faily mail reporter

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  6. the police or local law enforcement authorities

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    In this case, if the school failed to report it when they were told, or does anything to cover it up the school is also to blame, especially for any supposed second victim. That doesn't automatically put the policy for trans kids at blame. But if accurate, the school has their part of the blame they need to be held accountable for.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    care to look up the cases of forced woman on woman scissoring?
    Is that really all you got?
    Gimme a break!
     
  3. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Your argument is the equivalent of claiming that because a black man killed a white man in a restroom, that the policy of desegregation is to blame for the murder. After all, if the restrooms were still segregated then the black man couldn't have murdered the white man.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Those are YOUR baseless BELIEFS!

    Do you even KNOW what MtF means?

    As an MtF TEENAGER the use of TESTOSTERONE BLOCKERS would be prescribed in order to SUPPRESS him going through PUBERTY.

    The FACT that he committed a RAPE establishes that he is NOT using any testosterone blockers ERGO he is NOT trans.

    FACTS matter!
     
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    Seriously? That is the limit of what you think rape? Dude a castrated male can still rape a female or another male. Look up the various legal definitions sometime. Any penetration with any external objects counts. There was a case many years ago where a woman was raped by the rapist using beer bottle in her.

    And with a quick search, it seems like it has happened again.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...TLE-bucks-party-reveals-nearly-took-life.html

    Fingers, strap-ons, any object inserted into the vagina or anus (male or female) is rape.
     
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    Complete and utter bovine excrement!

    Here are YOUR exact WORDS from #131 above!

    So yes, YOU did make that BOGUS allegation about the School Board in YOUR own words.

    FACTS matter!
     
  7. Maquiscat

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    Please cite the part of the bill that says that rape doesn't have to or can't be reported.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is some trash logic dude
    Why make more opportunities for rape?
    Again. Show me the stats of women running around with strap ons raping other women
    Show me the stats of castrated males raping women
    What a joke!
    Thanks for my daily entertainment though
    :applause::applause:
     
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  9. Maquiscat

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    This part is legit and above board. It is standard practice to minimize discussion of case before they are brought to trial, regardless of the crime. That doesn't mean there were not other problem actions, but that doesn't excuse engaging in false conflation of other actions being wrong.
     
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    You are correct that facts matter, and the fact is that one is a trans woman does not mean one cannot be a rapist. The odds are unlikely, but we cannot be putting out false absolutes like this. This is true pre or post op.
     
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    All true, but before you can do anything legally, you need proof. Without solid evidence, it's just another Kavanaugh kind of issue.
     
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    While a possibility, hormone blockers are not use in all or even a majority of transgender teen cases. Even within the pro transgender medical community, there is debate as to whether such hormone blockers are beneficial or harmful. Probably both, but the question is which outweighs the other, or would it be on a case by case basis?

    That does not prove anything. Can you first show that the hormone blockers prevent ALL possibility of an erection? Then can you show that every doctor in that area that treats transgender teens puts all their patients on hormone blockers? And given that according to the later articles that the classroom assault was not PIV rape, was there anything that definitively showed the restroom assault as PIV rape.

    I am not defending this POS who raped the two girls. But we can never dismiss the possibility that any person can be a rapist. It is this kind of thinking that allows female rapist male victim cases to be dismissed as impossible.
     
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    The average transperson is trying to figure out who they are.

    Rapists are predators and this one was a SERIAL offender.

    While there is the slightest chance that a transperson MIGHT commit a crime so far we have had reports of alleged transpersons committing crimes only for it to turn out that criminals were LYING about being trans.

    Transpeople are far more likely to be the VICTIMS of rape than rapists themselves.
     
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    I agree with you on the likelihood of such. What I am disagreeing on is the absolutism of the statement. Basically, what it looks like is us pro-transgender people saying, "if a person says they are transgender then you should accept their word for it.....unless they do something wrong, then they have to be lying about it." When it comes down to it, the vast majority of people out there, straight or gay, cis or trans, or anything in between, is unlikely to rape or sexually assault. I am saying that we need to avoid conflating a person's orientation or identity as an indicator of whether or not they will commit a crime. And we have to be willing to admit that there will be offenders within those communities we are overall defending. I see it all the time within the BDSM and poly communities.
     
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    While I agree that you are correct in principle regarding the use of absolutism the OBVERSE also applies here.

    Whenever instances of extremist rightwing faux outrage occur about a crime allegedly committed by a transperson they go overboard with the absolutism to the extent of making false conflations.

    Politicians are liars is an absolutist statement.

    That there might be an exception to that statement is a given however it does not NULLIFY the TRUISM about politicians.

    There have been a handful of transpeople who have regretted having gender reassignment surgery and tried to transition back again. That does not nullify the million+ who are liberated and happy to have made the transition successfully.
     
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    talking about everything but the rapes huh?
    Not on my watch
    I’ll be calling out all spin in this thread
    How does anything you just said justify the policy that let this happen?
     
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    Correlation/causation fallacy. You have yet to prove that the policy is the cause. Since when has a rapist ever worried about where he was and wasn't allowed.
     
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    True enough and whenever an opponent tries to make the mountain out of the mole hill, I am as quick to point out that the are conflating issues. But we don't counter absolutism with the same. Otherwise we are no better.
     
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    Tell that to the dads of the raped daughters
    Sad!
     
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    And what do we tell the dads of the raped daughters who were raped before this policy? Correlation/causation fallacy has not been disproven. Try again. Maybe use logic instead of emotional non-sequiters.
     
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    I am going to argue that the school worker closest to that situation, and the school workers above them in the chain of command who are at that school, have some level of responsibility, and so do the girl's parents if she chooses to tell them. However, the responsibility is mainly on the girl to report it to law enforcement.

    Maybe for extremely young girls, under 12 or 13, the school has more responsibility because the girl may not have the life experience to know to report it to law enforcement or be able to easily figure out how to do that.

    I am very much against the idea of all the blame being put on the school for not reporting it.

    It makes these school officials low down scum if they intentionally choose not to report it, but I do not believe that level of reprehensibleness should entirely transfer over into the legal arena of responsibility. Maybe only partially to a very small degree.

    But many people seem to only be able to think in terms of black and white mentalities, "all or nothing", the school is responsible or they are not.
     
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    I don’t care about your word fu ninja bs!
    If you say men can go into a women’s bathroom then you are gonna end up with more men in the women’s bathroom with a higher potential for rape
    At many public venues this means a security guard is more likely to be like “pardon me sir, the men’s room is that way”
    Please keep it up with your super enlightening replies
    This is great insight into the mind of a liberal and you are practically writing my next best seller about Libs for me
    Thanks for the free labor!
     
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    like I said, if that is true, I say the same about them as the church, covering up for a rapist is accessory after the fact
     
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    ....male and identifies as gender-fluid....
    Parents, Students Press for Reform in Schools’ Handling of Sexual Assaults - Loudoun Now

    .....male student claiming to be 'gender fluid'....
    Sexual assault victim's family to pursue lawsuit against Loudoun County Schools | WJLA

    ....assaulted by a gender-fluid individual ....
    Loudoun County father arrested at school board event says school tried to cover up daughter's bathroom assault | Fox News

    .....by a boy claiming to be “gender fluid......
    Parents suing Virginia school district after alleged sexual assault by ‘skirt wearing’ boy in girl’s bathroom | MyStateline.com

    ...sexual assault perpetrated by a “gender fluid”....
    Loudoun County School District Breaks Silence on Transgender Sexual Assault Case | National Review

    ..... in a school bathroom by a gender fluid student.....
    Conservatives Twist 'Cover Up' Of Alleged Rape By Gender Fluid Student (dailydot.com)

    in a school bathroom by a "gender-fluid" boy
    School officials covered up his daughter’s rape. Now NSBA wants to make him a 'domestic terrorist’ | Washington Examiner

    Lets see the basis of your religious like unquestioned faith in the fact that this kid was not gender fluid.

    No, youre thinking of someone with the mental disorder of gender dysphoria who has decided it is so extreme that they are going to undergo medical procedures to remove male bits and construct female like bits. Most transgenders dont go through a sex change. I suspect even more people who identify as gender fluid or non binary also dont do hormones and surgery.

    You have no idea what you are babbling on about and not qualified to distinguish from fact and fiction. Obama's interpretation of title 9, revived by Biden, makes no distinction whatsoever between a boy who decides one day to identify as a woman after trying on his sisters dress, and a boy who has had years of hormone treatment and completed every sex change operation they have to offer to look like a female. Both can use the girls bathroom.
     
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    Here are all of them

    Did you have some point? These are facts with video documenting their statements.
     

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