Ignorance concerning Covid is taking a toll.

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Dying for the right to act dumb is a dubious deed, nor is the dummy the only victim.
    Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the 2020 presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden...

    People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.7 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.

    The trend was robust, even when controlling for age, which is the primary demographic risk of COVID-19 mortality. The data also reveal a major contributing factor to the death rate difference: The higher the vote share for Trump, the lower the vaccination rate.

    Recent polling data that show Republicans are now the largest group of unvaccinated individuals in the United States, more than any other single demographic group. Polling also shows that mistrust in official sources of information and exposure to misinformation, about both COVID-19 and the vaccines, run high among Republicans.

    An unvaccinated person is three times as likely to lean Republican as they are to lean Democrat... Being unvaccinated increases the risk of death from COVID-19 dramatically, according to the CDC. The vast majority of deaths since May, around 150,000, have occurred among the unvaccinated...

    Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19,
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...istian-broadcaster-dies-covid-battle-rcna7139
    Anti-vax evangelical preacher who promoted unproven treatments died of COVID-19
    https://news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-evangelical-preacher-promoted-145045543.html

    The grandson of Rev. Billy Graham, is hospitalized and in critical condition due to COVID-19
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...lly-graham-hospitalized-with-covid/ar-AAMyupU

    Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus
    https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

    An intelligent, informed, rational response to the pandemic that respects public health expertise is not incompatible with holding religious principles.

    Francis Collins, Director of the National Institutes of Health, and a professed evangelical, concerning the mindless aversion to vaccination:


    It is odd because evangelicals generally believe strongly in this love-your-neighbor principle. And we do know if we want to get this terrible pandemic to come to an end, it’s going to require all of us to get engaged in getting immune, and the best way to do that is with a vaccination. And by vaccinating yourself you’re also providing protection to the people around you who are depending on you not to spread that virus to them, particularly people who are immunocompromised from cancer or organ transplants or kids under 12 who can’t be vaccinated yet.

    https://religionnews.com/2021/09/10...with-evangelicals-amid-covid-19-vaccine-push/


     
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  2. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

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    I say the same thing about people with heart disease fella.

    Absolutely ridiculous
     
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  3. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You appear confused. There is no vaccine to reduce incurring and transmitting heart disease, and don't believe any media entertainer who tells you there is.

    It is far better to respect medical experts in medical matters.
     
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    There is no vaccine to reduce incurring and transmitting Covid, and don't believe any media entertainer who tells you there is.
     
  5. ToughTalk

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    It seems you are unware that poor dietary choice is the root cause of heart disease. Totally avoidable and needless.
     
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    The difference is that no one denies that. Whereas that is not the case regarding vaccination
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I prefer the expert medical consensus. Ideologues with no credentials in the matter tend to spew nonsense.
     
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    Diet is certainly a major contributor to heart disease, as are hereditary factors, exercise, etc.

    On topic, the empirical data confirms that the unvaccinated die at a much higher rate than do the vaccinated, yet ideological dogma prevents some from taking that sensible measure in their own interests, that of their family, and of Americans in general.

    The higher the vote share for Trump, the lower the vaccination rate... Being unvaccinated increases the risk of death from COVID-19 dramatically... The vast majority of deaths since May, around 150,000, have occurred among the unvaccinated... Republicans are now the largest group of unvaccinated individuals in the United States
     
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    This isn't surprising as it's always been the Rs refusal to consider others in our society. They won't mask up, socially distance or get vaccinated.

    They have been blaming minorities and illegal immigrants for the rampant spread to rationalize their biases against one or both of those demographics while completely glossing over the statistics of what is really going on. That's their standard operating procedure.
     
  10. ToughTalk

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    Like a person's dietary choice...it is their RIGHT to decide risk/reward.

    Like a person's personal choice to not wear one of these everywhere to mitigate the spread of the virus and protect the individual;
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    Even if you were vaccinated, this mask ^ is optimal for protecting the wearing from the virus or accidently infecting themselves by rubbing their infected phones or hands into their face.

    But I'm gonna guess that you, the individual refuse or opt NOT to wear this thing.


    Probably something to do with your personal risk/reward...ya?
     
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    Fake News. Vaccination helps the vaccinated, it does not stop spread.

    COVID Outbreak On US Cruise Ship Despite Fully Vaxxed Passengers
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    "Despite a 100% vaccination rate on the vessel, there was still an outbreak of COVID, suggesting that vaccine effectiveness is severely waning. "

    The haters of the unvaxxed are playing a losing hand, too dumb to search for a more effective strategy, and will continue playing until they run out of chips.

    A year ago under Trump with ZERO vaxxed 7 day average of daily deaths 11/5/20: 1,039/daily dead
    Now, under Dementia Joe with 80% of Americans with some level of vaxxed or natural immunity. 11/5/21: 1,157/daily dead.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily

    And you accuse others of being ideologically dogmatic? Fascinating.
     
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    It’s a civil right. ;)
     
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    Heart disease is communicable? Wow.
     
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    Then you know what I posted is fact or you really don’t follow experts.
     
  15. ToughTalk

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    You spelled "avoidable" wrong. Communicable? I'm sure you yourself are not doing everything you can to not spread the virus either so...you know? You have no room to talk.
     
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    WTF are you talking about?
     
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    Off topic and about as effective an attempt at derailment as pointing to butterflies

    Conservatives are dying not just in hundreds but thousands WHILE THERE IS A MEANS OF SAVING THEM
    This is beyond stupidity and shows evolution in action
     
  18. Bowerbird

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    What to write when you cannot address the topic eh? Ignore it might be best ;)
     
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  19. Nemesis

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    Yep Darwinism at work.
     
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    Yeah but dumb as a doorbell
     
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    Oh, just poking it is all. Sorry.
     
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  22. Nemesis

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    Elaborate. You do this all the time, keeping your "experts" a state secret.
     
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    But it is still the untaxed dying and many because they do not want the Democrats to win - talk about self defeating!
     
  24. Capt Nice

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    While the dems are vaccinating the repubs are dying off left and right. Who is going to win? Stay tuned! :)
     
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    You didn't know that the virus really likes to infect people in Republican states it's like it chooses to do that.
     
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