Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

How is me speculating you are probably uncomfortable being on the side that wants to allow a pedophile the right to assault a minor a personal attack?

Me thinking deep down your really anti pedo.. and you took offense to that? WOW I guess you have made yourself crystal clear on what type of person you are..

 

The thing stands firm that the nazi acted in self defense when he heard the gun shots. Them 2 are linked to each other.
The nazi stopped and turned around and took his weapon to aim at the pedo. That "self defense" thing is where he actually assaulted somebody.

You're making it up that he was fearful when he was running. Also being fearful doesn't give anybody special privileges. The lawyers who feared they were going to be attacked when a BLM walked inches away from their property in a gated community,... assaulted the BLM rally by pointing their guns. Seriously, what's next? I felt some fear when somebody knocks on my door, so I open the door and immediately point the gun at... oh wait just a girlscout selling cookies. What is next,... you got scared of the dark so you started to walk outside with your gun aimed at everybody?

 

uh noo... that nazi turned around and pointed his gun. That's when the pedo tried to grab his gun. It can't be happening the other way around.

sooooo what!!! Just like you claim out of nowhere where that nazi was being fearful... sooooo what! It legally is totally not relevant that there was a chase. It's also totally not relevant the nazi was fearful. All that matters is who assaulted who first. And in this case, it was the nazi who did that, because he heard gunshots. It has nothing to do with the pedo.

uh noo... that nazi turned around and pointed his gun. That's when the pedo tried to grab his gun. It can't be happening the other way around.

It is what it is. Why are you supporting a nazi and disregarding the fact.

 

The legal standard isn't whether you're fearful. It is whether there is a reasonable fear for serious bodily harm or death. You've already been running from a crazy who has tried to take your weapon and has been chasing you. You hear a gunshot behind you. you turn around and see that crazy bearing down on you. If he takes your weapon you are in dangerous trouble. Legal standard met.

 

uh noo... that nazi turned around and pointed his gun. That's when the pedo tried to grab his gun. It can't be happening the other way around.

And the point remains that the gunshot is the thing that caused him to think he had some serious bodily harm or death thing going on.... and aimed his weapon at the wrong person. That's assault. That's where the person who he assault gets the right to self defense. Say I aim a gun at you, and you think you get some serious bodily harm or death thing going on... then you do not get a right to kill somebody who plays no roll in it. Get real.

The part where you bring on..."crazy bearing down on you".... basically means the nazi had no time to react properly. That's his own problem. That pedo saw a gun barrel swinging at his face, that's when HE has the right to defend himself against a nazi who assaults him with it. Chasing around and tossing a silly half empty bag not travelling half the distance required ... doesn't end up being the thing that gives you a right to defend your life with deadly force. You're free to prove that one.

That nazi goes to school... where people chase each other all the time.
Let's be clear that a kids doesn't get the right to execute who does that.
That really is just nuts.

 

Of course you know that's not what the eye-witness said but I guess you know better than him.

And the point stands that he had a reasonable belief that he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death. This does not change that.

No he aimed his weapon at the right person. That is the person bearing down on him and who had been chasing him and thrown something at him and was reaching for his gun. Rosenbaum made it quite clear that his intentions were hostile.

What was reasonable for Rittenhouse to believe if he allowed the crazy person chasing him to catch him?

 

Pointed at the GROUND you are lying to try and say he pointed it at the pedophile you are lying again.. stop your lies.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/key-...s-richie-mcginniss_n_5f5142d3c5b6578026cb33fe

"McGinniss heard a “pop” from somewhere in the area that was captured on videos. He didn’t know if it was a gun, fireworks or a flash-bang grenade.

After the sound, Rittenhouse stopped abruptly and turned with his rifle angled toward the ground in a “ready” position, McGinniss said."

"At one point, Rosenbaum “made a motion that he was trying to grab the barrel of the gun,” McGinniss told prosecutors"

yes being fearful of your life or bodily harm is the prerequisite for self defense, it is very much relevant, it also establishes that the pedophile was the aggressor in this situation and the pedophile could NOT claim self defense (if he lived) like you are trying to say. The pedophile assaulted kyle by attacking him and trying to disarm him.

at the ground

which is assault

yes it can because thats what happened.. The pedo chased him and attacked him trying to steal his gun. thats literally what happened. and he got shot for his efforts

well thanks for clarifying how you really feel about pedophiles. I understand now why you would continue to lie with overwhelming evidence that disproves your lie.

I'm not, there is no evidence that he is a nazi, if he was a real Nazi then just like others have said he would declare he was. Besides calling someone a Nazi or racist or sexist etc has lost all meaning now.. If you are slightly left of center there is a good chance you will be labeled a Nazi racist..

 

This is false. The pedo charged after Kyle all the way across the parking lot before Kyle ever pointed his rifle at the child molester.

 

Lol, @notme as thorougly had his opinion debunked.

Good job everyone. We need to stand up to those pushing propaganda, trying to put a kid away who had the unfortunate task of having to kill those trying to kill him.

But his restraint was amazing, so good on him. Glad he is ok and seemingly going to come out of this on top.

 

.... and this is a Textbook example of projection.

 

Yea a kids life on the line over a clear case of self defense, that’s the type of thing dems love to see huh?

 

Exactly, so much projecting in one post it’s astonishing.

 

That’s for the jury to decide. You are not the jury. Nothing clear about it.

 

Justice system doesn’t work to your opinion. You’re just not that important.

 

I exited this thread because it felt like the last 25 pages were of a debate that didn't involve any of the legalities of what's currently happening, can we take a brief pause for a status update: What's the latest in the case?

 

There was no reasonable fear, since the nazi was armed and the pedo wasn't.
The only reasonable fear for the nazi was coming from the 3rd party who was shooting.
The attorney admitted that this was the reason he stopped running, and started aiming.

You are making up that the nazi thought that the pedo was out there to take away his weapon. That only happened... WHEN that nazi started to point his weapon at the pedo, not before. And WHEN the nazi started to point his gun, that is when the pedo has a reasonable fear. That's according to your logic.

There was no problem when "crazy" was running after the nazi. The problem was when the nazi heard gunshots, that the pedo did not do. Hence it remains so that the nazi started to aim his weapon at the wrong person. You failed to justify this.

 

You're not proving me wrong.

There was no reasonable fear, since the nazi was armed and the pedo wasn't.
The only reasonable fear for the nazi was coming from the 3rd party who was shooting.
The attorney admitted that this was the reason he stopped running, and started aiming.

There was no problem when "crazy" was running after the nazi. The problem was when the nazi heard gunshots, that the pedo did not do. Hence it remains so that the nazi started to aim his weapon at the wrong person. You failed to justify this.

The nazi demonstrated that he did not fear being chased around by the pedo.
That is a fact.

 

That is when the pedo has all the reason to be fearful. It only takes an utterly split second from a gun pointing at the ground to be pointing at his head + trigger pulled = being exceptionally dead. And so that is when the pedo has the right to defend. And it is like that, because you otherwise would not even attempt to take away a persons weapon, while you're unarmed yourself.

Uh no. The nazi brought his weapon to do some vigilante justice. It's by definition illegal and being the aggressor.
Being chased down is by no means that aggressive that you should be executed over it. I'm not seeing any proof of that.

He only attempted to take away the gun, when he feared for his life, that's the pedo's right to defense.
While the nazi was fine being chased around and did not fear the pedo at all.
The nazi feared the gunshots, who the pedo did not cause.

You're just making personal attacks, and being quiet dishonest about when that nazi was fearful... even when the attorney of the nazi said what the reason was when he started aiming his weapon. At no point do you incorporate that in your argument.

oh come one. That minor was dragged back to the judge when he was alreadty out on bail to get slappen on extra demands that he couldn't associate himself with his extreme far right wing buddies, and also got to hear he had to stop being an alcoholic. It was that bad. So I'm perfectly justified to call him a nazi.

 

Trial is set for November 1st.

 

That is false... the pedo just chasing the nazi. The nazi was fine with it. It all changed when some 3rd party was shooting. That's when the nazi feared the wrong person and assaulted him.

 

25 pages? yeah.. the only thing you'd a missed on here is this one poster projecting by calling or refering to the patriotic Kyle Rittenhouse as "nazi".

 

I posted a couple of videos and summaries of some pre-trial hearings here and here

 

So your saying that the guy who tried starting a fight earlier and was screaming "shoot me N****r" over and over like a lunatic.. then chased after kyle and then when he cornered him "got scared" because the gun was pointed at the ground? lol

So vigilante justice is doing everything in your power to run away? lol
and no its not illegal, open carry is very much legal in WI

If all he did was chase him and then STOP once Kyle turned around then I would agree with you. But the problem is after Kyle turned around the pedo assaulted him and tried to steal his gun. thats what got him shot.

No he has no right to self defense if his actions are what caused the conflict in the first place.. here is the law for like the 5th time..

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack

So sorry but the pedo cold not claim self defense

So Kyle was just out for a jog then? lol

So what, thats not a legal argument for anything. You know Kyle could be fearful of more then 1 thing right?

I asked you a question on why you kept lying about the events of that night and speculated on why.. You confirmed my (and probably most who are reading this thread) that our speculation on your motives was correct. So how is YOU answering the question a personal attack? YOU ANSWERED IT

I have addressed this multiple times. Just because a second threat joins in on the conflict does not magically erase the first threat. There can be more then one threat to deal with. Just because the gunshot was the moment that Kyle went from running to fighting does not mean that the pedo is no longer a threat.. because he literally attacked him and tried to steal his gun.

nothing you have said there proves he is a nazi but this proves the the pedo is in fact a pedo..



https://www.usbondsmen.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-JOSEPH/172556

 

It was a clear case of self defense regardless of what the jury says. This is objectively true regardless of anyone’s ability to be objective in viewing the evidence and incorrectly coming to another conclusion.

he did a great job defending himself to, it’s sad the left has attacked him so much for it. Projecting thier own tendencies to be nazis onto him.

 

How on earth would this amount to justify somebody to be killed? This is just utterly desperately grasping around on whatever.

This is just being dishonest.

This is just being dishonest again.
It was completely illegal for him to be walking around with a weapon to begin with.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...le-rittenhouse-break-law-carrying-assault-st/

That nazi did not just turn around, he had his assault style weapon ready to kill the pedo. There is a general utterly reasonable understanding that an unarmed person is at that point very fearful for his life.

You refuse to take into account the general utterly reasonable understanding that the unarmed pedo feared for his life when that barrel of that assault rifle was just a split second away from blowing off his head. So try again and take that one into account.

being an illegal vigilante while illegally carrying a weapon....

Well. He wasn't hunting, which is required for him to have a weapon.

It is. The nazi did not fear being chased, since he did nothing much about it.
He did do something when he heard shots fired.

What you are calling "motives" is just you making excuses why you're making personal attacks.

You keep dishonestly omitting
You're being dishonest on 4 accounts in a row.
That nazi was fine with being chased around. He demonstrated that.
The pedo caused no thread that scared the nazi, since it was a 3rd party caused the gunshots scaring the nazi.
It wasn't a just because as in some fluke that the nazi turned around. The nazi turned on purpose when he heard gunshots according to his own attorney.
And that stealing of the gun is justified because that pedo feared for his life.

He associated with an extreme far right wing violent gang while getting drunk.
The judge had to step in, and ban him from seeing such people.
I'm perfectly well able to call him being a nazi because of it.
And you having problems with that... does that show motive?